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DOV Spectre vs. Celestials

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A team of the 4th celestial host (classic), exitar, and the Mad Celestials-
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Classic Celestials were above Kubik by orders of magnitude, and Kubik could easily warp entire universes.

Don't see how Spectre can win.


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Classic Celestials were above Kubik by orders of magnitude, and Kubik could easily warp entire universes.

Don't see how Spectre can win.


that was one statement

odin with destroyer armor put up a fight before going down, they are not as powerful as statement made them to be

spectre wins


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that was one statement

odin with destroyer armor put up a fight before going down, they are not as powerful as statement made them to be

spectre wins
Destroyer Odin was beaten easily.


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Doesn't the Spectre exist on a higher plane than the Celestials? At Spectre's highest high, I wouldn't be surprised if he slagged them, but this is DOV Spectre who seemed to be on an average Galactus' level. On average, I don't see an average Galactus defeating the 4th host. On the flip side, and based solely upon Galactus' power set, he would probably defeat Captain Shazam Marvel a lot easier than the Spectre was able to. Magical beings like Shazam have in the past been treated as snacks for him. In DC, Galactus would likely be crazy powerful.


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Originally posted by MrMind
that was one statement

odin with destroyer armor put up a fight before going down, they are not as powerful as statement made them to be

spectre wins

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DOV Spectre probably loses.


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Classic Celestials were above Kubik by orders of magnitude, and Kubik could easily warp entire universes.

Don't see how Spectre can win.

So can Thunderbolt and Spectre treated him like nothing. Spectre was basically unstoppable besides Presence forcing him to stop.


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Doesn't the Spectre exist on a higher plane than the Celestials? At Spectre's highest high, I wouldn't be surprised if he slagged them, but this is DOV Spectre who seemed to be on an average Galactus' level. On average, I don't see an average Galactus defeating the 4th host. On the flip side, and based solely upon Galactus' power set, he would probably defeat Captain Shazam Marvel a lot easier than the Spectre was able to. Magical beings like Shazam have in the past been treated as snacks for him. In DC, Galactus would likely be crazy powerful.

How was he on average Galactus level?


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How was he on average Galactus level?


How was he not? Do you think that anyone within DOV could stop Galactus? The Wizard Shazam would beg Galactus to spare him, as would all of those magical beings.


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How was he not? Do you think that anyone within DOV could stop Galactus? The Wizard Shazam would beg Galactus to spare him, as would all of those magical beings.

Against Shazam Spectre was weakened. And no, in the rock of Eternity Shazam wouldn't beg Galactus to spare him. We've seen Galactus lose to wizards before, Heck wraithqueens have almost killed him and made him flee.


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So can Thunderbolt and Spectre treated him like nothing.

Spectre was basically unstoppable besides Presence forcing him to stop.
when has thunderbolt warped universes? also, didn't lkz (who was equal to thunderbolt) own spectre with ease? same with quisp? his track record against imps isnt the greatest.

just because the presence had to step in and finally stop spectre doesn't mean that's the minimum amount of power needed to beat him. spectre struggled quite a bit with guys like amped billy, shazam and nabu, and beat them mainly because of his ability to absorb magic from anywhere..but that option wont be on the table here.


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when has thunderbolt warped universes? also, didn't lkz (who was equal to thunderbolt) own spectre with ease? same with quisp? his track record against imps isnt the greatest.


JSA : Stealing Thunder. DOV Spectre absolutely owned Thunderbolt.
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just because the presence had to step in and finally stop spectre doesn't mean that's the minimum amount of power needed to beat him. spectre struggled quite a bit with guys like amped billy, shazam and nabu, and beat them mainly because of his ability to absorb magic from anywhere..but that option wont be on the table here.


You're acting like Lords of Order are below celestials. They aren't. The only reason he struggled against Shazam was because he was weakened.

Fourth Host retreated from Jean Grey blowing up Arishem's hands with a shadow of Phoenix and Cyclops power.

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JSA : Stealing Thunder. DOV Spectre absolutely owned Thunderbolt.

You're acting like Lords of Order are below celestials. They aren't. The only reason he struggled against Shazam was because he was weakened.

Fourth Host retreated from Jean Grey blowing up Arishem's hands with a shadow of Phoenix and Cyclops power.

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yes i know spectre beat thunderbolt there, but that almost seems like an outlier considering spectres losses to some of the other imps like lkz and quisp..but i was also asking when thunderbolt has warped a universe?

damage that arishem could have easily repaired. but either way the celestials wont be retreating here and its the entire classic 4th host + exitar + mad celestials (who can obviously merge if they need to)


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yes i know spectre beat thunderbolt there, but that almost seems like an outlier considering spectres losses to some of the other imps like lkz and quisp..but i was also asking when thunderbolt has warped a universe?


Like I said, JSA 36-40.
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damage that arishem could have easily repaired. but either way the celestials wont be retreating here and its the entire classic 4th host + exitar + mad celestials (who can obviously merge if they need to)


Why not? If it was so easy to do, why did they retreated in the first place? It's a straight up loss.


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Like I said, JSA 36-40.

Why not? If it was so easy to do, why did they retreated in the first place? It's a straight up loss.
thought thunderbolt just warped the world there. was it confirmed to be the universe?

i'm saying arishem could have just easily repaired the damage to his hand and continued fighting, like nezzar did when his arm was lopped off-
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when has thunderbolt warped universes?
The Quintessence were concerned that a battle between Thunderbolt and Lkz(who were individually equal) would destroy the universe:
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And at the end of the story, Lkz merged with T-bolt.

So yeah, post-fusion Thunderbolt should conceivably be able to act on a universal scale.


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it would definitely make sense.

whatever happened to that fusion btw? i remember thunderbolt taking on that purple look after he fused with lkz, but then he randomly became his normal pink color again. did they split back up at some point?


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Spectre takes time because he chooses to.
Notice against Nabu, while Nabu was trying to provoke him.

Nabu:"Why is it taking you so long to kill me?"

Spectre:"It doesn't matter how long it takes, only that it is done."

Nabu:"You've devoured so much raw magic the last few days, you should have been able to crush me in an instant"



Previously against the Wizard Shazam, Spectre battled him until Shazam summoned up every artifact and power he could, then Spectre just stood up and destroyed the Wizard, the artifacts, and the Rock of Eternity.

The time it takes to accomplish things is meaningless to someone as old as time.


It's weird to me that a guy who even weakened and without a host, still had be stopped by Yahweh is getting downplayed somehow.


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thought thunderbolt just warped the world there. was it confirmed to be the universe?

i'm saying arishem could have just easily repaired the damage to his hand and continued fighting, like nezzar did when his arm was lopped off-
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Yes, it was the universe.

Maybe, maybe not. But they retreated on panel. Its a loss.


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