Steve has his shield/Mjolnir
Valk has Zeus’s bolt and her dragon blades
No BFR
Round 1: Melee battle only (Cap can’t use lightning, Valk can’t use the the bolt ranged wise)
Round 2: All out
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
MCU Thor's powers are inconsistent. We're told initially that Mjolnir is the source of his higher than Asgardian abilities, then they shit on that in Ragnarok by telling us Thor's always had the power inherently, that the hammer was just a focusing tool. "Are you Thor, the God of Hammers?" " -Odin Borson
Then we're back to the hammer being what bestows powers in End Game and Love and Thunder.
Having said that, Cap with Thor's strength, durability and abilities should win this.
This was weird for me. I could understand the Russo's messing up Thor's powers in Endgame because they didn't direct Ragnarok and were pretty infamous for their power inconsistencies, but Taika directed Ragnarok yet seemed to have thrown whatever character progression Thor got in that movie out the window.
Thor in L&T seemed to be incapable of summoning even the least amount of "sparkles" without either SB or Mjolnir.
Well we dont know if anyone gets Thors true strength in the movies simply by picking up Mjolnir. Even Jane, though clearly superhuman, hasnt shown shes stronger than Valkyrie, let alone Thor level.
Cap displayed no impressive strength at all. Him and Thor together couldnt force the Axe into Thanos. Cap didnt seem to make any difference when he joined in that struggle.
Honestly all Cap did was shoot lightning and throw Mjolnir. He didnt even fly. Heck not even leap.
Yeah but I dont think each one was literally Thor level strength.
Also Janes transformation was also different because not only was she worthy but Mjolnir had a protection incantation specifically for her.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Jul 12th, 2022 at 07:21 AM
Man, we've been through this. Worthy Steve knocked Thanos around. That's just not possible at his base strength levels. There's absolutely no reason to think that holding Mjolnir works any differently in the movies than in the comics, especially since Jane gets superhuman strength.
Steve and out-of-shape Thor being unable to overpower Thanos means nothing, he's physically stronger than Hulk who is > Thor physically.
which you could argue wouldn't have been possible without massive strength upgrade. However that doesn't happen again (except with a Lightning strike), so could just be that Thanos wasn't braced for that hit
So how does it work? Does Steve get Out of Shape Thor's strength? Or In Shape Prime Thor's strength? Or Thor's strength at the time of the enchantment?
And were each of those kids as strong as Thor, or were they kid versions, so not as strong as adult Thor? Was Jane a female version, so not as strong as male Thor? Or was the strength divided between the kids?
Like literally made no difference at all to Thor's struggle. But realistically with a Second Thor jumping on there from behind, that should have been enough to immediately stab Thanos through the chest.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Jul 13th, 2022 at 01:28 PM
I thought that was because Odin initially stripped Thor of his super powers and locked them in the hammer. Once they were unlocked, they went back to being generic or whatever
That punch is not comparable to the Worthy Cap's attacks. Thanos was getting physically rocked. He was grunting and was clearly feeling Steve's hits unlike those punches from Infinity War, which didn't even annoy him.
What we go by is Odin's enchantment. "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall posses the power of Thor." If you want to go deeper, you could make the argument that he was talking about Thor's power in Thor 1 because that's when he created the enchantment.
You'll notice that Thor was holding both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker when the Captain jumped in. Therefore, we can logically assume that Steve did not have Thor's power at that moment, just his own SSS strength, which wouldn't do much against Thanos.
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