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Superboy Prime & Cosmic Armor Superman vs Lucifer (GEB)

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Oct 9th, 2023 09:32 PM

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not sure what you mean by "lucifer (geb)", but if you just mean geb, it wins.

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not sure what you mean by "lucifer (geb)", but if you just mean geb, it wins.

lucifer is one and the same with GEB

from lucifer v3 and that Dark Crisis:The Deadly Green

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Oct 10th, 2023 12:01 AM

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i mean lucifer v3 definitely wasn't accounted for when dc proper reintroduced geb.

but like i said, if this is just meant to be geb vs the others, it wins.

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Oct 10th, 2023 12:04 AM

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In Justice League Incarnate #4 we learned that Superboy Prime is just another puppet of the Great Darkness, so he's out.

The Cosmic Armor was destroyed by Mandrakk who "died" by just falling into the Overvoid, who is a peer to the Great Darkness.

This is a stomp on the level of Silver Surfer and Galactus versus the One Above All.

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i mean lucifer v3 definitely wasn't accounted for when dc proper reintroduced geb.

It was also accounted for in Dark Crisis with Constantine's interaction with the Great Darkness. But it could also just have been another puppet of the Great Darkness, since Trigon preceded Lucifer in this particular interaction.

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lucifer is not a puppet of great darkness, lucifer IS great darkness

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lucifer is not a puppet of great darkness, lucifer IS great darkness

Wait, what? Lucifer is the Anti-God now?

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Oct 10th, 2023 03:30 PM

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lucifer is not a puppet of great darkness, lucifer IS great darkness

In Lucifer vol. 3 it's clearly the intention.

But in the Dark Crisis tie-in it's a lot more ambiguous. Because Trigon also appears as a face of the Great Darkness.

Oct 11th, 2023 06:26 AM

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In Justice League Incarnate #4 we learned that Superboy Prime is just another puppet of the Great Darkness, so he's out.

The Cosmic Armor was destroyed by Mandrakk who "died" by just falling into the Overvoid, who is a peer to the Great Darkness.

This is a stomp on the level of Silver Surfer and Galactus versus the One Above All.

It was also accounted for in Dark Crisis with Constantine's interaction with the Great Darkness. But it could also just have been another puppet of the Great Darkness, since Trigon preceded Lucifer in this particular interaction.

prime redeemed himself and overcame the great darkness when battling TDK. Prime solos.

Oct 11th, 2023 03:43 PM

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Doesnt everything that happens in DC just take place in Superboy-Prime's mind?

Oct 11th, 2023 04:54 PM

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In Lucifer vol. 3 it's clearly the intention.

So then GEB is nowhere near as powerful as the Presence since the Presence created Lucifer and his twin Michael (along with everything else).

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Oct 11th, 2023 06:38 PM

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Doesnt everything that happens in DC just take place in Superboy-Prime's mind?

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Oct 11th, 2023 11:13 PM

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prime redeemed himself and overcame the great darkness when battling TDK. Prime solos.

Even if you want to interpret it like that it doesn't change the fact that he's nowhere near powerful enough.

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So then GEB is nowhere near as powerful as the Presence since the Presence created Lucifer and his twin Michael (along with everything else).

No. They're apparently equal: or more aptly, the balance in power shifts between them. It's a complete retcon of Carey's original story.

Oct 12th, 2023 04:08 AM

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No. They're apparently equal: or more aptly, the balance in power shifts between them. It's a complete retcon of Carey's original story.

Wait, so the Presence didn't create Lucifer? He was GEB all along? I'm lost.

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Oct 12th, 2023 04:53 AM

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Wait, so the Presence didn't create Lucifer? He was GEB all along? I'm lost.

That would be the implication, yes. In fact, the Great Darkness predates the Overvoid as per Justice League Incarnate #4.

Oct 12th, 2023 06:05 AM

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Wait, so the Presence didn't create Lucifer? He was GEB all along? I'm lost.

At this point so is DC. Comics Vs Continuity, Continuity will always lose.

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That would be the implication, yes. In fact, the Great Darkness predates the Overvoid as per Justice League Incarnate #4.

I'm sorry I'm stuck on this but I need clarification, so the Presence never created Lucifer, Lucifer is GEB, GEB predates everything even the Overvoid?
So GEB > Overvoid > Presence? Or GEB > Presence > Overvoid?

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Oct 12th, 2023 12:07 PM

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I'm sorry I'm stuck on this but I need clarification, so the Presence never created Lucifer, Lucifer is GEB, GEB predates everything even the Overvoid?
So GEB > Overvoid > Presence? Or GEB > Presence > Overvoid?

per dematteis and morrison

the overvoid/source/presence are one and the same, different interpretation of the same god.

none of these are set in stone though. as dc themselves are walking contradiction

GEB predates everything wouldn't mean he is automatically superior in power though, there are other "void" before creation characters in dc history like pralaya and you wouldn't place her above god.

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per dematteis and morrison

the overvoid/source/presence are one and the same, different interpretation of the same god.

none of these are set in stone though. as dc themselves are walking contradiction

GEB predates everything wouldn't mean he is automatically superior in power though, there are other "void" before creation characters in dc history like pralaya and you wouldn't place her above god.

Man, I have a headache trying to figure this out. And I thought Marvel cosmology was a mess. Jeezus.

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That would be the implication, yes. In fact, the Great Darkness predates the Overvoid as per Justice League Incarnate #4.

Such an implication would categorically rule out Lucifer being the Great Darkness.

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