Is Zion a Real World ?

Many supporters (including me) of this movie strongly believe that Zion is NOT a real world.

Their based on the following reasons :

1) Neo can stop those "mechanical optopus" outside the matrix system.

2) Neo didn't die even one of the mechanical optopus passed through his body

3) Zion is simply a place designed by machine for fixing those bugs (Neo,Trinity etc.....) who feel unreal in matrix. Once they wake up, they just go to another system (Zion) and they think that they are free. But in fact, they (bugs) are still under the control of the machine.

It is kind of nice to think that it might be a matrix in a matrix in a matrix.... kind of cruel as well, but a nice idea never the less.

Nope but it is name for gods people or homeland.

Well this calls into question a whole lot of philosophical issues... how do you know you're not a brain in a jar being fed electrical impulses?

Perhaps the best image in the series is where the cyborg awakes in the slimy pod - evokes a visceral response! 😱

i agree zion is a sub matrix within the matrix

Me too.

Originally posted by shaber
Well this calls into question a whole lot of philosophical issues... how do you know you're not a brain in a jar being fed electrical impulses?

Perhaps the best image in the series is where the cyborg awakes in the slimy pod - evokes a visceral response! 😱

be quiet.

I thought it was supose to be a real world?If not then why would they be trying to save it in the last firm?This does not make any sence if the agents are not looking for it in the first firm and it does not exist.
WHat would be the point of the whole movie?JM

Zion is the deep underground place, the last place not polluted or blighted by the great war. It is a real place.

Zion is real. I thought, after seeing reloaded, and before seeing revolutions, that zion was a matrix outside of the matrix, and that neo had awoken himself. but after seeing the third movie, i realized this belief was erroneous. why? because, Neo has a connection to the Source. It wasn't until after meeting the architect that he discovered it, but he did. Zion is not another program, it is the world that we live in, (which is also real) and cannot be changed.

Maybe the real world in real life really is a sort of matrix, and our bodies are somewhere else, and those bodies will awaken once we die, and we will find the reason why we were here 😖

Okay, only if you haev been here from the start (Like jediHDM and I) (Hello by the way, long time no see) You wil perfectly understand that Zion is Indeed Real and that there is No Matrix With a matrix (MWAM) It was thought of, and proven against.

There are seevral theories as to how Neo Can Zap The Machines

(Mine being that he is Conected woth Smith, Smith is an Agent, well, WAS an Agent, Agents are conected to the Sentinals as seen in The First Matrix ("Deploy the Sentinals" brown (i think) said) So there fore, He could simply just use that link to the machines (concidering HE Simultaniously BE in and Out of the Matrix in a way, (or at least In Limbo) To Make the MAchine's GEnerators Overheat or something... who knows.

BUT there are Several Threads talking about MWAM most of the shut down as they have been proven negative.

Originally posted by JediHDM
Zion is real. I thought, after seeing reloaded, and before seeing revolutions, that zion was a matrix outside of the matrix, and that neo had awoken himself. but after seeing the third movie, i realized this belief was erroneous. why? because, Neo has a connection to the Source. It wasn't until after meeting the architect that he discovered it, but he did. Zion is not another program, it is the world that we live in, (which is also real) and cannot be changed.

The point of having an actual "Real World" is to prove that the might of the machines goes beyond the control of the matrix, but rather the control of both worlds. This is due to the fact that the machines have managed touse the "real word" factor to there systimatic advantage. In this sense, the "real world" may be real, but is still bound by the ability to e controlled.

I think so. I also think that the agent and other AIs are trapped inside an even larger construct so that they too are prisoners.

Originally posted by JediHDM
Zion is real. I thought, after seeing reloaded, and before seeing revolutions, that zion was a matrix outside of the matrix, and that neo had awoken himself. but after seeing the third movie, i realized this belief was erroneous. why? because, Neo has a connection to the Source. It wasn't until after meeting the architect that he discovered it, but he did. Zion is not another program, it is the world that we live in, (which is also real) and cannot be changed.

i havnt posted here (the matrix forum) in a long time and i was sad to see that we are still having to explain the MWAM theory to people.. this discussion was dead soooo long ago.. glad you still have the patience to explain to countless new people why it is the way it is Jedi

Well after watching this movie ... one can realy be confused about these things you know at times i do blv that its not real but at times yes i m confused abt this ... well i guess an other matrix movie can make it clear 😄

my point was that there are threads with many many pages about this already.. but im sure they are burried back a bit..

Oh FFS...not this bloody MWAM crap again....

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Oh FFS...not this bloody MWAM crap again....

Ok, forget about it 🪩