Why are people so furious about the Canon?

Fock the people that are adhering too much to the structure of official canon.

Why? If the EU invented some "cool Force power", why can't it be used in "new canon" story to add the entertaining/original/suprising/poetic twist to it? It can't be used just because it existed before in the previous canon? That's the reason for banning the stuff that would otherwise perfectly suit the current canon?

Screw that damned logic!

There were times in the EU that people didn't really care that much about canon. There was only the line of thought like this:
Well, that stuff was really retarded for the SW universe. Yeah it doesn't suit the SW universe. It doesn't fit the rest of the story. Better screw it.
Also there were lightsabers of Ventress that turned out to belong to Komari Vosa before, and stuff like that. References, easter eggs..

Or the Infinities series - not really happening stuff, non-canon, but cool.

So why are people obsessed by canon and avoiding things that were used before?

The Infinities stories were goofy

I don't give a shit about what is and isn't canon. I give a shit that some EU series like TFU will never be continued.

It's frustrating to have something grow for 30 years and then stopped; the reboot was like the death of an organism. I try to throw the old EU out and accept the NEU, but it's haunting the corners of my subconcious mainly because of great content we lost. Sure we lost a lot of crap too but Star Wars is like pizza and sex, even when it isn't good, it's still good. For me I just want Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison and the Darth Plagueis novel back in canon and Thrawn re-appearing in new content.

Originally posted by JKBart
Fock the people that are adhering too much to the structure of official canon.

Why? If the EU invented some "cool Force power", why can't it be used in "new canon" story to add the entertaining/original/suprising/poetic twist to it? It can't be used just because it existed before in the previous canon? That's the reason for banning the stuff that would otherwise perfectly suit the current canon?

Screw that damned logic!

There were times in the EU that people didn't really care that much about canon. There was only the line of thought like this:
Well, that stuff was really retarded for the SW universe. Yeah it doesn't suit the SW universe. It doesn't fit the rest of the story. Better screw it.
Also there were lightsabers of Ventress that turned out to belong to Komari Vosa before, and stuff like that. References, easter eggs..

Or the Infinities series - not really happening stuff, non-canon, but cool.

So why are people obsessed by canon and avoiding things that were used before?

This what I exatcly said, but without my silly personality.

Now people are like :
THIS IS NON CANON STUFF ! THAT STUFF IS HERESY ! YOU SHOULD NOT EVEN MENTION IT ! In the great glory of disney do not mention that have been deleted because even if that was great and have some really good stuff, it should be forgotten.

I have this feeling now..
Even from people that recognise that the EU was great.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
This what I exatcly said, but without my silly personality.

Now people are like :
THIS IS NON CANON STUFF ! THAT STUFF IS HERESY ! YOU SHOULD NOT EVEN MENTION IT ! In the great glory of disney do not mention that have been deleted because even if that was great and have some really good stuff, it should be forgotten.

I have this feeling now..
Even from people that recognise that the EU was great.

yiz i translated it to make the thread more debatable

-Licks him-

Originally posted by JKBart
yiz i translated it to make the thread more debatable

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You speak Revanchiste, Bart?

yiz 🙂 🙂 🙂

t. official translator

You've found your calling. 🙂

The thing is, now we have *two* continuities. Really the only difference is to keep them separate.

And a lot of the stories in the old EU got a chance to wrap up. We know how things go up to 138 years after Yavin. TOR is going on. Yadda yadda.

No. We don't have two continuities now. We have canon, and stories told by parents to their kids at night. Legends isn't valid in anyway, however Disney would be especially retarded to not cash in, so they keep selling it.

You need a canon policy in debates like this otherwise discussions degenerate into irreconcilable nonsense because different parties are arguing from a different set of continuities.

That's all it is- a rule to make sure people are talking about the same thing. Working from the (I believe reasonable) principle that the Disney canon is the most relevant one, being the current, official one that SW material made now follows, that one is taken as the default.

Beyond that, no, canon doesn't matter at all. Like what you want to like. If you want to discuss a non-canon continuity, just make it clear.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No. We don't have two continuities now. We have canon, and stories told by parents to their kids at night. Legends isn't valid in anyway, however Disney would be especially retarded to not cash in, so they keep selling it.

That's not right, and is frankly pretty silly.

Even if it's not the active continuity, it's still a continuity that exists. It didn't poof, vanish when Disney continuity appeared.

There's a lot of stuff that has multiple continuities. It's not that hard to juggle them and keep them separate.

I find both, "Why can't I use EU in canon arguments?" and "You can't use EU/Legends, it doesn't exist any more," to be equally silly.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You need a canon policy in debates like this otherwise discussions degenerate into irreconcilable nonsense because different parties are arguing from a different set of continuities.

That's all it is- a rule to make sure people are talking about the same thing. Working from the (I believe reasonable) principle that the Disney canon is the most relevant one, being the current, official one that SW material made now follows, that one is taken as the default.

Beyond that, no, canon doesn't matter at all. Like what you want to like. If you want to discuss a non-canon continuity, just make it clear.

Ha moderators.. always so narrow minded.

Originally posted by Q99
That's not right, and is frankly pretty silly.

Even if it's not the active continuity, it's still a continuity that exists. It didn't poof, vanish when Disney continuity appeared.

There's a lot of stuff that has multiple continuities. It's not that hard to juggle them and keep them separate.

I find both, "Why can't I use EU in canon arguments?" and "You can't use EU/Legends, it doesn't exist any more," to be equally silly.

I'd like to ask. That both continuity share many commun part.. As Matt Wilkins enlighted it, Disney canon is a cluster**** because of teh reboot of something that big, that have a gigantic heritage. + "TWC" canon and clone war 2003 (written by george lucas himself) non canon. TWC is not mean to be really canon, it is a nice show that explore and exploit the EU even if the scenarist do not really know the EU...
+Like I say the EU lay so many cool stuff so the new canon has to rieap off old stuff. They are things to great in the EU to be even forgotten. Those thing are now part of the star wars universe no matter the continuity. (Example Korriban, Thrawn etc.)

So Here it is mister moderator. That's why it is so motherfocking damn stupid to think the way you think.. I haven't say all I wanted to say and explain.. But just by thinking about what I have begin to write.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbPxO8vec08

Don't belive me yet? Watch the video... It will give you some other clue to understand why it is that stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbPxO8vec08

Don't belive me yet? Watch the video... It will give you some other clue to understand why it is that stupid.

It is not just a story.. Star war is a mother ****ing universe. Star is mother freakin space + advanced technology. It is exploration, world building ! Exploration in term of knowlege, technology, planet envirnement species, cultures, but also history, and because it is star wars there is also the force. And this is why the EU was so great.
It is not just simple story telling. EU introduice freakin awsome thing like the inetrdictor B-wwings A-Wings, Tie defender, it is blaster disruptors. And look at rebels dammit. Those thing are mother freakin immortal !

The paradox of the EU is that there was a solid continuity. Whitout a continuity.
Manythings were just independent, with a diffferent author style and ambiance different characters. And still form one and unique story.
In fact they were an infinities of story, in just one big universe.There was hundred of different canon... As many as they were author. But all those author were working with the same universe and thing that they introduce like the B-Wing were part of that universe...

It was just working like that.

There was what this dude had written is quite accurate, or this things is totaly new but too awsome to be forgotten (AKA republic commandos and CRA)

The point of view of the canon policies is just too ignorant and stupid to me.

The point of view of the canon policies is just too ignorant and stupid to me.

Beside the new canon is too limited to be revalant to me. The old EU still the biggest room to explore. So in that way of thinkink the old EU is the one that we should follow for now...
Because disney EU is just too young and small, and cannot do shit without redoing so old EU stuff....

What should be consider canon Korriban? This awsome planet that we know a shit ton about it that was central in mutiple plot. Wich is a hudge stone of the star wars mthology. or moraband that appear in one episode that was not even ready for realease, and written by dude that did not know what they were doing?

Should cnaoncicity should be ty to official thing? or just by a common sens of logic that you obtain via conflict and confrontation of ideas?
As it was before. people that interact with the material and discuss with other knew what the canon was without having to read the official canon.
They knew what kind of Game mecanic were realistic to teh star wars universe.

No need of an official canon if your people can argue between each other and are not as stubborn as me or many guys on this forum. it should be fine.

Originally posted by Q99
That's not right, and is frankly pretty silly.

Even if it's not the active continuity, it's still a continuity that exists. It didn't poof, vanish when Disney continuity appeared.

Well said

Originally posted by Q99
There's a lot of stuff that has multiple continuities. It's not that hard to juggle them and keep them separate.

Exactly. For example Spiderman has multiple continuities. The comics, the Sam Raimi movies, the more recent movies, the various cartoon series etc. All of them are equally valid. It just means that if we wanted to debate say, "Sam Raimi movie Spiderman" then we can't use material from the comics/cartoons in that debate because those are different versions.

Originally posted by Q99
I find both, "Why can't I use EU in canon arguments?" and "You can't use EU/Legends, it doesn't exist any more," to be equally silly.

Again, well said.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You need a canon policy in debates like this otherwise discussions degenerate into irreconcilable nonsense because different parties are arguing from a different set of continuities.

That's all it is- a rule to make sure people are talking about the same thing. Working from the (I believe reasonable) principle that the Disney canon is the most relevant one, being the current, official one that SW material made now follows, that one is taken as the default.

Beyond that, no, canon doesn't matter at all. Like what you want to like. If you want to discuss a non-canon continuity, just make it clear.

This.

Originally posted by Q99
That's not right, and is frankly pretty silly.

Even if it's not the active continuity, it's still a continuity that exists. It didn't poof, vanish when Disney continuity appeared.

There's a lot of stuff that has multiple continuities. It's not that hard to juggle them and keep them separate.

I find both, "Why can't I use EU in canon arguments?" and "You can't use EU/Legends, it doesn't exist any more," to be equally silly.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's not a different continuity because none of it is valid, no matter how silly you think it is.

"Valid." You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

It is no longer official to the current material.

It is still valid as an entity unto itself, the same as any other old book series. Just because a new iteration comes along and becomes the new official, doesn't mean you can't discuss the old.

I mean, I'm a comic fan. DC's got pre-crisis, post-crisis, and nu52. Nu52 is currently the only official/canon one. They are all, however, valid stories one can read and enjoy, even if two no longer get new material.

There was no divergence somewhere. No two directions. Legends simply never happened.

The existent printed books beg to different.

It did not happen in the canon continuity, but in real life, it was printed the same as any other story.

It's a separate set of stories now.

That's why it was so aptly named Legends. That was like the entire point. It's Reboot 101 at its most simple.

You don't seem to have a good grasp of how reboots work. It doesn't make the old stories not exist, it makes the old stories separate and no longer connected to the new ones.

That's not how reboots work with DC comics, or Tenchi Muyo anime, or the dozen major Transformers universes.

It's like claiming Wolfenstein is just a different timeline in our world that totally happened and will happen, so it's a historical source.

That's not even remotely the same thing 🙂

I will note that Wolfenstein does exist as a fictional construct without any doubt.

To say that the EU/Legends doesn't exist as stories and can't be discussed is quite silly indeed.