Why would i have anything to apologise for? Talis has come in and determined the parameters of the thread after you PMed him, which is something i suggested you should do anyway as opposed to just ignoring forum rules. If anything you should be apologising to me and all forum users who abide by the rules for not taking my advice sooner.
As it stands either interpretation makes no difference to the power level of the IG. They are both conduits for the power contained within the 616 universe. A finite , closed system as established on panel. I wouldnt exactly be wrong in saying you've gained not a thing. Wouldnt you agree?
Both Talis and Digimark007 said I was in no way violating anything or anyone on this thread.
I have nothing to apologize for.
When i sed "apologies accepted" i was being sarcastic, not to have been rude, i was just saying that i was in the Right the entire time.
nothing more.
Secondly, as for gaining anything....ur right. I did not gain anything. I always had the right to use Classic IG, even before I knew I had permission, so no. I had the right BEFORE, and i have the RIGHT NOW.
Ur right....i didnt GAIN anything. I always had it.
Ne ways, i did not break forum rules at all. I have read them, and nothing said you had to stick to retcon. That was you, and only you, telling me to do so.
I owe no one an apology, i made my points already, i already accepted your ALE argument as conclusive, convincing, and effective so what does it matter now?
I grow bored of this thread, as i did days ago. Thank you very much
If you asked Digi and he said you were NOT breaking the rules then he would be wrong to say so. He would however be quite within his rights to dismiss your breach as something minor (because it is) and therefore take no action.
You have gained nothing because the reason you dismissed the rules in the first place was because you felt using the outdated interpretation would somehow give Thanos an advantage in what you thought would otherwise be a lopsided fight. However i went on to highlight how in both interpretations power wise there really isnt a difference, meaning your defiance got you nowhere.
Carry on debating mate, dont leave on my account.
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If you asked Digi and he said you were NOT breaking the rules then he would be wrong to say so. He would however be quite within his rights to dismiss your breach as something minor (because it is) and therefore take no action.
Then tell Digi that he was wrong . He is a MODERATOR....who you are or I to tell him that his judgement was wrong ?
You have gained nothing because the reason you dismissed the rules in the first place was because you felt using the outdated interpretation would somehow give Thanos an advantage in what you thought would otherwise be a lopsided fight. However i went on to highlight how in both interpretations power wise there really isnt a difference, meaning your defiance got you nowhere.
I have gained the KNOWLEDGE of my permission to have referred to any version of IG I wanted to. Therefore all the arguments that you and Mider made that I could have use it is nullified. Maybe I didn't gain something, but you certainly lost something.
Carry on debating mate, dont leave on my account
I wasn't ever going to leave on your account. I'm kind of tired of debating about this, I made every point I need 2 already, and i do not feel like repeating myself.
Anyways, im already convinced i may have been wrong. Not by you, but by another who argued that since ALE is on a multiversal level it could overpower the will of anyone who possesses the IG (current or classic). Now even though I imagined that IG would defend its wielder from submitting to ALE, someone argued that IG only enhances your control over the UNIVERSE, it does not enhance your control over yourself, you are still the same person, only with nearly infinite power, therefore your WILL POWER will be forced to submit to anyone with ALE....
that argument convinced me i was wrong, and if you would have just made an argument like THAT to me earlier instead of trying to play moderator and restrict my ability to debate, i would have ended my arguments a long ass time ago.
Ive just shown you the rules as stated by Tron in the forum rules threads. You didnt abide by them, you broke the rules, regardless of position anyone who says otherwise is wrong. However its no biggie LU, hence why no intervention was made i guess. I dont really care what interpretation you used my persistance was brought on by your stubborness to admit you were wrong, which in turn brought out my stubborness.
You have gained nothing because the reason you dismissed the rules in the first place was because you felt using the outdated interpretation would somehow give Thanos an advantage in what you thought would otherwise be a lopsided fight. However i went on to highlight how in both interpretations power wise there really isnt a difference, meaning your defiance got you nowhere.
You NOW have permission from the threadmaker after i suggested you do so to clarify this mess. You did NOT have permission in the beginning and that is something you defiantly ignored back then, instead choosing to post how you pleased. Dont try and play like you were always in the right cos that conclusively never was the case as Talis has only just posted, meaning that my points pertaining to you being wrong were completely valid. NOW that you do have permission from Talis its cool and i have made no further post with regard to you being wrong, because you NOW wouldnt be.
Come again LU.
That was the argument that convinced you huh?
Sorry to be a b*tch but if thats the case then you really do know how to pick em dont you mate?
Whoever convinced/fooled/deluded you into believing that about the IG has my utmost respect. By the way you harp on about the IG of old so much one would think that you've actually read it. Yet surely that cant be the case if you were talked into believing this?
The Ig can and has been used by a wielder on themselves to change their very being both physically and in terms of consciousness. Thanos did so during the Saga, he turned himself into Eternitys replacement. He was far from the same person and in light of that one cannot convincingly argue against that.
Oh of course sonny. I wouldnt have it any other way.
The Ig can and has been used by a wielder on themselves to change their very being both physically and in terms of consciousness. Thanos did so during the Saga, he turned himself into Eternitys replacement. He was far from the same person and in light of that one cannot convincingly argue against that.
You misunderstand what i meant, OR i didn't write his words correctly, because honestly i forgot who he is who said that.
Yes i did read it, and that's not how i meant it. OFCOURSE you can change your physical and spiritual being into another form, as Thanos did when he switched places with Eternity..i know that
But the IG does not ENHANCE your personal character. What i mean is despite the fact that you have the MIND GEM and SOUL GEM for example, and even though you are connected to the minds and souls of every other being, that's the only influence that IG has OVER the being of its own character.
Yes, you can use IG to change yourself, but it cannot change who you are voluntary. IT can not make you any BETTER of a person, if you had IG your own biases and FLAWS and will power still remain.
Do you get what im saying? It will be the SAME YOU, only you'll have access to nearly infinite power, but you won't be any more mature of a person really (unless you beleive that the souls and minds of other people being linked to your gems affects you to that extant)
So if someone with ALE can control the WILL POWER of any being, and the ORDER of everything on a multiversal scale.....than how can someone with IG resist having thier WILL be dominated by ALE ?
Isn't that CLOSE to the point you made ne way ?
And okay, if you feel that i did back down to soon to an argument like that, half of the reason is because i TIRE of this argument. Even though im not 100% convinced that ALE CAN topple IG, I am atleast 70 sumtn% convinced, and don't think that theres any reason for me to be convinced furthermore.
I cannot prove that IG can protects its wielder's WILL POWER...its not like there is a WILL gem...theres only gem over Mind, Space, Time, Reality, Power, and Soul (Unless you wanna include EGO gem, but that's not part of classic IG, nor is it even Canon if im correct).
So wouldnt ALE just overpower the WILL of anyone with IG ?
And even if IG does have a chance to stop its wielder's will power from being taken over by ALE, then it would the doing of the MIND GEM, but even its power isn't infinite to the level that ALE's power is, since IG only has jurisdiction, whether mental or reality wise, over one universe, and ALE is supposed to be multiversal...
Then again...can you or anyone here supply me with proof that ALE is truly multiversal? BCUZ people here debate about DC actually having a multiverse, and i cannot prove or disprove that myself.
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why wouldn't the gem increase the strength of the wielder's mind? that would be like saying if jarvis had it, the ringmaster could hypnotize him into thinking they were best buds and take the ig from him.
not sure who stated that, or where, but i just want to clear MY name of that particular point . . .
Cuz then it would have probably strengthened NEBULA's mind when she had it, and it didn't. She wasn't any better or worse of a person when she got it, she just had the power to do whatever she wanted.
It didn't strengthen her mentality, in fact in her case it only overwhelmed her.
Like for example, Drax the DEstroyer had the power gem, it didnt do crap for his mentality.
The only gem that makes sense that would help boost your own mind is the MIND gem...that to me would be the force behind IG that could repel ALE's attempt to dominate the will power of the wielder.
HOWEVER...that may not be enough. Maybe with the REALITY GEM you could make your will power even stronger, since your own will power simply is an extension of your being and subject to "Reality" therefore perhaps reality gem could as well.
Okay...now im only 50/50 on this. I think a person with the classic version of IG now, could still stand a chance against anyone with ALE...it depends on the person.
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i think you're right in one regard -- the ig's gems likely need to be consciously used. that's why experience with the ig would help. even if the mind gem is protecting the wielder though, i think it could still be overcome by the ale. the ig is also stronger together than seperate. the power gem is the 'backbone' of the ig and makes all the gems stronger as stated in thanos quest. individually, gem wielders have been defeated.
but theres also rumors of ALE being able to enforce ORDER, not just on will power, but on reality itself.
IF and only IF...these rumors are true, then ALE's reality enforcing abilities would over power the Reality Gem's influence, since ALE's is multiversal and IG's is Universal.
However, people also debate about whether or not DC even has a multiverse, and we know Marvel does.
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Talis has come in and determined the parameters of the thread after you PMed him, which is something i suggested you should do anyway as opposed to just ignoring forum rules. If anything you should be apologising to me and all forum users who abide by the rules for not taking my advice sooner. 
