Thats why cooling him off in the environment (making the air around magneto colder would not work). Making magnetos molecules STOP would not let him move, think, or do anything. He would be a complete statue not being able to use his powers. Plus Iceman does not need to freeze him. Look at the list again, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Actually here it is again (plus more):
Even with the scan (and it may or may not exist, and if it does it may or may not be the exactly what you want it to be) it would not prove that Iceman stopping Eric's complete molecular motion would power him up since an Ice shard is much less efficient offensively and is a more "physical" way of hurting someone. It is also different in terms of what it the event is actually doing.
Option A:
Physical confrontation with Ice Shard COULD POTENTIALLY (if the scan is accurate in your description) power Magneto up. What is the ice shard however? A physical object piercing flesh and making the persons insides cold because IT is cold. Not exactly all that great in terms of Comic Book "weapons".
Also freezing the environment in hopes that Magnetos internal temp would go down. Magneto DOES have a shield and in that way he could break free. Hell if your right the cold emanating from it MIGHT even power him up. However that is because his internal temp was not DIRECTLY affected. Thus we go on to Option B
Option B:
-Freezing his very molecules (We know Iceman doesn't "project cold", so then he must absorb or dissipate the heat. By the laws of thermodynamics, energy is constant, it cannot be created or destroyed. However, let's go to another scientific principle. Heat is a measurement of the internal kinetic energy of an object. The more those atoms and molecules are buzzing around, the hotter it is. Therefore he just efficiently and instantly STOPS those atoms and molecules thus "freezing" the object, or person)
-transmuting his very water supply into water vapor (wonder how fast that would kill him??)
-transmuting his head into water vapor (as shown that he can turn others into water vapor as well)
-rip all the water from Eric's body (completely dehydrating him into nothing but sand, and just making Iceman more powerful)
-freeze his water supply (flash freeze, ala legion)
-coalesce all the water vapor in an area into a superdense solid, dropping the humidity rapidly, resulting in chaotic weather effects, mass electrical storms, hurricanes, tsunami's, tornado's, etc.
All these effects do NOT need to go through Magnetos shield as they can directly effect his very self, and simply bypass it.
It seems to me the physical confrontations would be pathetic and much more limited compared to the more efficient ways to win. Also seems like they are two VERY different events, and such that even IF that scan that you like to use too much is accurate in your description it would have no bearing on the debate as is
Reasons Magneto could not attack or hurt Iceman?
-Iceman has no true physical form.
-You heat him up? He evaporates and is still alive
-You make him colder? Hes the freaking Iceman
-You liquefy him? He can exist as water as well
And the beauty of it all? No matter WHAT form he takes he is a pure breed elemental meaning he really IS water, ice, or gas (water vapor)
Meaning that no matter what Eric sees, he CANNOT tell the difference between water vapor and water vapor. It just does not logically make sense. Iceman can operate "invisibly" making Magneto thinks he is facing an actual Iceman that does not actually have Iceman's consciousness inside the husk of ice. He could even create and animate multiple ice forms.
- Therefore you can not find him and he could be anywhere while still kicking the crap out of you
Magneto can realistically do NOTHING to iceman seeing as he has no idea where the real "iceman" really is.
Wow, this thread is really long considering how much of a total non-factor Iceman has been against Magneto every time they've fought. Hard to imagine what could have changed.
heh. well, i seriously dont see a way for magneto to win... his brain could be frozen... his bodywater turn to gas... he himself could be an icemountain in very short time... too many things to kill him off
This is an impressive post, Blair. It’s well thought out, and carefully planned. Good job.
However, you’ve got a few things wrong with it. Magneto’s body composition is not like a regular human being. He, like Iceman, is an elemental; an elemental of Earth’s electromagnetic field. He is literally a living part of it and is in touch with the field wherever he goes. We’ve seen how intense cold temperatures have made his body a superconductor, thus powering up his electromagnetic powers for further usage. As far as intense cold is concerned, with him as a part of the electromagnetic field, and with so much electromagnetic energy running through his body, his corporeal form acts in the same fashion as pure magnetism. This even includes temperatures down to 0 degrees Kelvin (absolute zero), as I’m about to explain in the paragraph below.
According to the Meissner effect, if the temperature was to be brought down significantly (including absolute zero) in the midst of a magnetic field radius, the result would have the magnetic energy in question become an EXTREMELY powerful superconductor or a “perfect” conductor as he put it, where specimens become “perfectly diamagnetic.” Lack of kinetic energy and magnetism go hand in hand, in that it enhances the effects of magnetism. So, what exactly would an absence of kinetic energy do in the vicinity of Magneto’s body (or for that matter, IN his body)? It would make him an extremely powerful superconductor with energy projection unheard of. That method is out. Btw, Iceman has never actually been able to project cold all the way down to absolute zero before anyway.
Now, let’s just assume for the sake of argument that Iceman has the ability to severely injure, or kill Magneto (which is unlikely, considering his control over magnetism), Erik has superior reflexes and reaction speed, so he’d be the one getting the first shots in this fight.
Magneto has Enhanced/Super Reflexes/Thought Processing:
So, as I’ve just demonstrated here, Magneto would easily be able to get the first shot in this fight.
From there, he either BFRs him via a wormhole, absorbs the life energy right out of him, mind rapes him (yes, that’s right), etc.
Alright, now assuming that Erik didn’t kill him with the first strike, and Bobby decides to go into his “vapor” form, Mags could easily probe for his consciousness with his telepathic abilities. And yes, he’s demonstrated PLENTY of times to be able to use psionic abilities. If you don’t believe me, there are quite a few scans of him doing so in the Magneto respect thread. Bobby's mind would be telepathically disabled for the easy win.
Also, if Magneto decided to be a crafty bastard in this fight, he could simply do this:
Ide like to get this debate going again because of a recent disgussion i had. I realize this thread has been done but it also got closed. Sooo, I was convinced that magneto could win untill i dove deeper into the realm of iceman, now im convinced Magneto would have a very tough time winning.
I know theirs a disgussion to be had here. I say iceman wins
Disguss!!!
p.s hi everyone!! i havent been on these forums for a loooong time
i miss yall
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Sep 24th, 2006 06:02 AM
It’s well thought out, and carefully planned. Good job. 
