Quote me where I lied about anything please sir. The rest is just nonsense gibberish that doesn't address any of my real points and conviently ignores all the scans/evidence posted.
Because Englehart tried to give Simon a push (A brief one that didn't last because Thor was considered the Top dog in Marvel) 15 years later, that somehow invalidates a fight between Thor/Hulk? Seriously what the f*ck.
Do I have to quote posts for you? I didn't even mention the brittle bones. Once again, I commented on this:
Which is just NOT true. All your other nonsense arguments aren't even worth replying to because of how inherently silly they are, I just don't enjoy the spread of misinformation.
Because Wonder Woman is made from Gaea's flesh, that somehow in turns means she's stronger then Hercules because Gaea is stronger then Hercules? This all assumes that Marvel Hercules = DC Hercules, and DC Gaea is physically stronger then DC Hercules. Not to mention that Diana is as strong as Gaea.
Well during Gail's run recently, Wonder Woman said that Pele hits harder then Superman even. Maybe as hard as Thor's hammer. That's a lot more direct and is clearly evidence that Thor conclusively hits noticeably harder then Clark.
Thor's strength is not on Superman's level because you want it to be.
We go by feats Carv.
Your opinion does hold much credibility since we all know how much you hate Superman (and mostly D.C. characters)
If Im not mistaken, when Thor was cursed he had to wear the Asgardian Armor due to weaken state and later on made Mystic armor, it's been a while. But for sure Thor strength drop dramatically even Midgard serpent admitted this and he would know.
Those same battleboards make similar assessments when comparing a trans tier character like Thanos with Wonder Woman as well.
When it comes to purely physical characteristics like strength, battle performances hold more value than flashy displays of power like mountains, moons or planets with your fists. Thor has consistently matched(or outright beaten) those who equal or exceed Diana in physical strength, so he's her peer at the very least in that particular aspect.
Apart from those that usually favor DC(and most of them aren't old), which people are you talking about?
It was stated that she was blessed with a strength greater than that of Heracles.
Superman holds back (consciously and subconsciously). But when he doesn't then im sure he hits harder than almost anyone.
Here's the agument again
1. If WW is stronger than Heracles and
2. If Marvel Hercules is similar to D.C. Hercules and
3. If Marvel Hercules is about the same as Marvel Thor
Then Diana is stronger than Thor.
So the argument fails if 1, 2, or 3 is false.
I'm not claiming WW is stronger but offering an argument that can be accepted if the premises are accepted.
Then I argued that WW has feats to match anything Thor has done strengthwise and thus she is at least his equal in strength.
Lastly, hitting with a tool harder than someone hits with their fists doesn't mean they are stronger. WW thinking Thor's hammer strikes harder than Superman doesn't mean Thor is stronger.
I've run into people who think Diana is stronger than Thor. But those same people usually think Gladiator/Beta Ray Bill/Surfer are noticeably stronger then Thor as well so I don't even bother debating the point.
I'm too lazy to debate the flawed nature of this logic so I'll just refuse the premise. Also, do you happen to remember where it's stated Diana is stronger then Heracles? I can believe it, he's definitely had some less then stellar showings but some of them was when he was mortal I think.
Diana has been hit by an all out Superman. She's probably a better judge then almost anyone. I didn't compare their strength but their striking power.
Naah, me throwing out names would cause a ruckus and that isn't my intention. Look for the thread I made with Thor vs Wonder Woman fist fight...all of your answers are there.
ABC logic is used everywhere in this forum. Almost every argument here is some form of ABC logic.
ABC logic is invalid when it comes to beating a character (since unique powerset, style of fighting, character, all weigh in on it). But is valid when it comes to a comparing a single attribute.
For example, many compare Thanos tp to Dr. Xavier due to who he battled with it and then who they battled with it. Thus classic ABC logic.
Namor is compared to others in strength because of his encounters with Hulk, Hercules, etc.
Bottomline: Some forms of ABC logic are valid and some are not. Comparing a single attribute (like speed or strength) is very sound.
Carv bases his reasoning off his opinions. He loves to ignore the other character's feats. I at least try to use some sort of logic and reasoning. And I'm not Marvel or D.C. bias like he is (thing that destroys credibility the most).
Speed is my bias.
Because he had a better showing than thor against hulk.
That all got retconned. PG is likely as strong or slightly weaker than thor.
Because its not about simon getting a push. He was still weaker than guys like abomination. Englehart's Thor wasn't such a monster in strength that he could stalemate class 100+ bricks in strength, he never wrote thor like that. There is only one explanation of that scene from Defenders 10, hulk was amping extremely slowly and still after 1 hour wasn't past Thor's strength. Some of the things you thorbags have suggested are downright silly.
Also my comment about thor's strength being intact in WCA annual isn't wrong. I will concede that he was weaker than usual while under hela's curse, but that's completely irrelevant to the discussion.
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