Thor flying in a circle using Mjolnir while mind-altered silver age mach quicksilver runs through a massive crowd was matched and surpassed by multiple feats from street levelers, yes. It's not even in top 10 feats.
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Awesome, which 10 feats are better because I haven't seen one from a street that is equal to taking an extended series of actions at a fast enough rate to specifically exceed Quicksilver(of any era) in speed... but maybe that's just me.
Flying in circle while quicksilver [mind altered, in a crowd] is on foot is not exceeding quicksilver, no.
If you give me the ability to fly and I'd have to circle Times Square while Usain Bolt has to get from one ends to the other in rush hour, I'd beat him with time to spare - doesn't mean I'm faster than him.
Reacting to Wally West, for example [as Deathstroke has done repeatedly] is, considering the difference in speed between Wally and silver age Quicksilver, considerably superior to the above -- considering Slade doesn't have the advantage of a mind-controlled hammer or flight. And numerous other feats.
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He was swinging his hammer faster than Quicksilver who was running at superspeed, thus he was taking actions at superspeed in excess of Quicksilver's. Thor didn't just keep up, tag, or react to, he dug a large trench around Quicksilver... that's impressive no matter how you slice it. Hell, even abhi conceded that such a thing was beyond any street level guy. If you want to argue against such being the norm for Thor it's totally understandable, but it shouldn't be a big deal for you or anyone else to acknowledge that at least that one feat of Thor's is beyond street level characters.
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He had to outreact then outspeed QS who basically had a headstart running a straight line.
Of course part of it is the hammer, but not the part where he had to outreact and direct the hammers path when he dug the trench.
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The hammer's movements are mentally controlled by Thor, both its speed and direction -- all he had to do was fly in a circle and keep his hand straight while the spinning Mjolnir dug the trench, as classic quicksilver had to move through a massive crowd. As I've said above, give me those same tools, and I'd humiliate Usain Bolt.
Furthermore, Classic Quicksilver is made to look like Blob compared to the speedsters Deathstroke, Batman, Nightwing and more have had showings against. That's not even getting into non-speedster feats, which surpass the one above, too. As I've said, not even top 10.
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Last edited by Philosophía on Mar 16th, 2020 at 09:59 PM
Thor never showed Janes kind of control, it was never alluded to being anything other than him swinging it.
Pretty sure the issue took place in the 80's, but I guess it might have been late 70s. Still, by that point QS was already a fair share faster than guys like Cap and Bats. It wasn't QS back when he topped out at like 175, pretty sure he'd been faster than sound for a bit by then(but I'm no QS expert so I might be wrong about that).
Jane has nothing to do with this. The hammer, even under Odinson, is capable of being mind controlled to spin, change directions, increase in speed, bounce around for as long as Thor wants etc. Mjolnir obeying Thor didn't start with Jane -- as much as Jason Aaron would want you to believe.
The issue didn't take place in the 80s, nor in the late 70s, it was in the early 70s -- 1972, to be precise when Quicksilver was literally the bottom of the barrel in terms of speedsters. Either way you cut it -- he is nowhere near Wally, Bart and the rest against which the rest of the streets have feats [without flight -- without Mjolnir -- without mind-tampering] making Thor's feat -- which is literally flying in a circle to enclose large crowd of which Pietro is in the middle of -- pale in comparison by degrees of magnitude.
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Very possible, I've looked at Thor in broad strokes but not super close so that could very well be a thing. I was going off of what I remembered of the artwork, but it can be easy to misjudge that kind of thing depending on the artist. But has it ever been alluded to that actions of the same variety(willing to give quite a bit of leeway on what would qualify) are the result of his mental control rather than being powered by him both consciously and physically?
Yeah there's a difference between having feats against speedsters and actually outspeeding them in some manner. Cap's got feats against Quicksilver sure, but that doesn't change the fact that even at his slowest he was portrayed as being superior to Cap.
There's instances of Thor literally standing and looking as he mentally manipulates Mjolnir into spinning, deflecting, hitting, circling etc. opponents. It's used very widely, and Mjolnir spinning endlessly as he is holding it in his steady hand is one of the most blatant uses in comics.
Thor used flight to circle around the crowd containing [the mind-affected, grounded within the hundreds of people] Quicksilver -- that's not being shown as faster. I expect Iron Fist, Spiderman [who literally swings at mach speeds: https://imgur.com/knRCLZl], Deathstroke and a shitload of others to, if given the benefit of flight, opponent being mind-altered, opponent being crowded, and a sentient hammer that they can mentally command to be able to easily """outspeed""" and do the same thing.
I'd legit not even include this in a respectable street respect thread [assuming they get a one issue power-up where they get flight and mjolnir] -- that's how weak it is.
In terms of actual speed, you have stuff like Deathstroke being portrayed in direct hand to hand combat speed as maybe even faster than Wonder Woman in the 90s: https://imgur.com/a/PvBqRyC
That is far more direct [no flight, no hammer, no mind-control, no impediments] and considerably more impressive. There's dozens others -- him simply reacting to Wally is far above what Thor did considering the gulf in speed between classic qs and the actual speedsters. And this is run of the mill stuff for him. Nightwing has tied up a speeding Wally, Batman has caught a speeding Barry and Bart, and there's plenty of other feats that have been covered both from the streets and from Thor that are more impressive than his 'fly in a circle' shit. Which gets me back to -- not even top 10.
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Last edited by Philosophía on Mar 17th, 2020 at 12:30 AM
I'd have to see an example of what you're talking about to know for sure what you mean there. Not that I expect you to run off and find a scan or anything, I just mean that I'd have to see such things for myself to judge whether or not they correlate properly. If it's as you say and it's been specifically established that sometimes the hammer spins in Thor's hand independently of Thor's physical control then such would definitely qualify and discredit the feat, but if you're simply talking about stuff like instances of the hammer spinning while his hand seems to be still or him steering it while it's off flying then it likely wouldn't satisfy my own personal take on such things even if they do yours.
Thor can control Mjolnir entirely -- its direction, its spinning, its speed. This is quite well documented. He can make it spin around opponents even when he's not holding it -- nevermind when he does.
I know you're not coming here with the best intentions, let's say, but I have some scans at hand for when I represented him.
Has it spin automatically and while it does, takes his time to wrap Juggernaut's wrist around it: https://i.imgur.com/F7yO8gR.jpg
There's famous example of the spinning being used on even larger scale: https://ibb.co/T8xwQHJ
Are you arguing that he...continuously handjobbs the hammer? In this case, to dig a ditch? If you do, with all due respect, I don't want to, as you put it, "satisfy your own personal take" so I'll go get some sleep.
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