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Tha C-Master
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Originally posted by capt it up
im not argueing potential.

No raph fights mroe then leo. leo trains more though. Again Prove raph is the superior fighter it miky. Just becuase he brawls a lot means nothing. He ahs never shown more skill then miky nor has he ever defeat miky.

derived my post? what......

That's more or less what I mean. They both fight alot, depending on the circumstance. If he fights/trains more he'll have more skill.

You made your comment first, so you'll have to prove it. When I say more skilled, I just mean that he trains more. Because Raph and Mikey can both beat one another.

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Raph weapon is ment for disarming.......

Just becuase your a master of a weapon does nto mean you can not be disarmed as seen with raph and leo......

Donny staff is not as long as he is nor has it ever been shown to be would you like me to get pictures for you........

also donny is only 5 feet tall.......

did you ever read the comics........

raph is shown quite clearly through out the comics as being the superior in strength.

the turtles abiltiies are not all equal.

Like miky for instance is the fastest and most agile of the group.

I have read some of the comics, yes.

And I didn't say that they were all the same. Merely that they are all around the same strength level. I know that Mikey is faster and more agile, just like Donny is the smartest. no expression

Do you have some proof to say otherwise about the strength level?

And yes, the sai are made for disarming.........SWORDS. For example, I could never see Raph disarming Mikey. I know a lot about martial arts weapons and what would be superior to what. Sai are great and all, but they're really only truly effective against swords and sword-like weapons.

I know how tall Donny is. And no, it's not as long as it should be, but he's also short. In relation, Raph is also short. Thus, the staff's shorter size is not a disadvantage at all.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That's more or less what I mean. They both fight alot, depending on the circumstance. If he fights/trains more he'll have more skill.

You made your comment first, so you'll have to prove it. When I say more skilled, I just mean that he trains more. Because Raph and Mikey can both beat one another.

I did not make an arguement i stated a fact. raph and miky are basically equals in combat and skill.

raph fights more, but miky naterial abilties make up for it. Plus a lot of raph fighting is simply brawls.

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I have read some of the comics, yes.

And I didn't say that they were all the same. Merely that they are all around the same strength level. I know that Mikey is faster and more agile, just like Donny is the smartest. Do you have some proof to say otherwise about the strength level?

And yes, the sai are made for disarming.........SWORDS. For example, I could never see Raph disarming Mikey. I know a lot about martial arts weapons and what would be superior to what. Sai are great and all, but they're really only truly effective against swords and sword-like weapons.

I know how tall Donny is. And no, it's not as long as it should be, but he's also short. In relation, Raph is also short. Thus, the staff's shorter size is not a disadvantage at all.

Raph is shown through out the comcis as the strongest turtle...in strength.

yes I know sia are not made to disarm bo staffs.

raph also more skilled the don.

I see if I can recover there fights I am sure they had a least one.

Mar 29th, 2007 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by capt it up
I did not make an arguement i stated a fact. raph and miky are basically equals in combat and skill.

raph fights more, but miky naterial abilties make up for it. Plus a lot of raph fighting is simply brawls.

And I did the same, so where is this "proof".

Mikey is naturally athletic, but he's not some god, and he's affected by CIS as well.

The turtles are all natural (compared to the average person), Mikey would just rank highest in the department, partly because he's younger as well.

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And I did the same, so where is this "proof".

Mikey is naturally athletic, but he's not some god, and he's affected by CIS as well.

The turtles are all natural (compared to the average person), Mikey would just rank highest in the department, partly because he's younger as well.

proof of what that they are equals?

were the proof raph is superior?

if raph has no evidence of beign superior then he be miky equal.

also why do you keep assuming I am acting like miky is god when im not.

also why are you even talking about cis? I said they end in a stalmate.

leo wins for team one.

now if it was miky and raph on the team it be a better match since miky could take out don while raph held off leo.

then it be raph and miky vs leo and that be a pritty cool fight.

Mar 29th, 2007 04:58 PM

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So you are dodging my question when you made the statement that Mikey was more skilled at first and then you changed it later (before I even started posting). I guess I'll never see this "proof" then. erm

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So you are dodging my question when you made the statement that Mikey was more skilled at first and then you changed it later (before I even started posting). I guess I'll never see this "proof" then.

ugg edit.

I did say it then i remebered and change my mind. so why wer eyou argueing some thing I already change my opinion on?

your argueing a topic I already agreed on.

so what your point?

Mar 29th, 2007 05:02 PM

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I never said miky was more skilled then raph?

please quote me on it if I did. I really like to see were I stated miky was more skilled.

I been sayign from the start that they are aroudn equals. I am not dodging any thing please go a head and find it.

They're either equals or not, now you're being intentionally vague.

You went (in terms of skill):

1. Leo
2. Mikey
3. Raph
4. Don

Now you're saying "they're equal" or "around equals". Which is it?

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what do you want proof on? I stated some thing I was inccorrect I realized it before any one said any thing and I changed it. so how coudl you want proof of somethign when I don't agree with my own staement?

Mar 29th, 2007 05:05 PM

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They're either equals or not, now you're being intentionally vague.

You went (in terms of skill):

1. Leo
2. Mikey
3. Raph
4. Don

Now you're saying "they're equal" or "around equals". Which is it?

you missed my edit.

there equal.

also why the hell are you argueing something when I already corrected my self on?

honestly whats the point?

you began to argue with me over a topic after I had already disided I was incorrect?

why argue me then?

Mar 29th, 2007 05:07 PM

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I asked you to prove either one if you are going to substansiate your point.

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I asked you to prove either one if you are going to substansiate your point.

either what?

You are trying to hold my original statement against me when I correct my self long before you eneter the arguement.

so if I had all ready correct my self and no longer agree with my original statement then why would I proof it? That sounds retarded.

so your whole arguement is based of my original statement that I my self do not agree with?

Mar 29th, 2007 05:12 PM

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Let's make it simple, you say they are equally skilled, why?

You are trying to be intentionally vague here. You are saying "around equal" or "equal" or "almost equal" when it isn't the same thing. It looks like you are trying to swap interpretations to save face. Who has more skill?

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Let's make it simple, you say they are equally skilled, why?

You are trying to be intentionally vague here. You are saying "around equal" or "equal" or "almost equal" when it isn't the same thing. It looks like you are trying to swap interpretations to save face. Who has more skill?

there equal. They are better at there respected weapons so in theory there not equals in skills since there skills are different however the end resault is the same.

niether is superior to the other. also I was not trying to be vague.

Mar 29th, 2007 05:20 PM

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I apologize if I misunderstood then, because "almost" and "around" are different. I have not however seen anything to suggest Mikey more "skilled" just more "natural".

I'll leave it at that because I have to go.

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I apologize if I misunderstood then, because "almost" and "around" are different. I have not however seen anything to suggest Mikey more "skilled" just more "natural".

I'll leave it at that because I have to go.

ya that was my bad I actaully ment it as they masters of different weapons, but are the same level of skill.

I agree miky is not more skilled

Mar 29th, 2007 05:24 PM

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Ok, I was about to say then... stick out tongue

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Ok, I was about to say then...

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Mar 29th, 2007 05:30 PM

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there equal. They are better at there respected weapons so in theory there not equals in skills since there skills are different however the end resault is the same.

niether is superior to the other. also I was not trying to be vague.

This is what I was saying about Donny vs. Raph. Being masters at two different weapons doesn't really make them even. Being a master of the bo-staff gives Donny a huge advantage over Raph's mastery of the sai. And then, it's not as if Raph is leagues away in hand-to-hand skill. The gap is very small.

See what I mean?

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