Quan has always been rather slow, IMO he actually thinks that he's addressing your points, rather than trolling.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Actually, on second look at the OP, it says:
Unlike my prior argument for the Matrix winning (just a vastly superior AI), I am now considering these factors...
1. Skynet strikes first. First strike always presents opportunity for advantage, but Skynet is striking Zion, not the Machine City. Advantage could well be squandered with a wrong first target.
2. There is no mention of hacking as a tactic: they fight hardware vs hardware, a clash of robotic infantries. Therefore, hacking is not permitted in this fight (?), which I saw as the Matrix's big advantage: a bigger intellect simply overpowering a smaller one.
3. Also not mentioned in the OP: use of EMPs, which the Sentinels were extremely vulnerable to. Are the Terminators as vulnerable? In any event, since they're not mentioned in the OP, EMPs are not allowed (?). Another potential advantage to Skynet lost.
4. Time travel: also not mentioned in the OP, which is another, potentially big loss for Skynet (like the EMPs). Otherwise, the perfect first strike would be to send a Terminator back in time to keep the Matrix AI from being built in the first place. This might also automatically eliminate the Zion problem (but if there's no Zion problem, then Skynet would not be tempted to strike first, in which case the Matrix and Zion could come into existence, in which case...)
Basically, given a literal take on the OP stips, now I'm not sure who would win. But if all advantages were allowed, I could see Skynet taking this, mainly because of a potentially game-ending first strike at the right target via time travel. If any clean-up operation was required, then EMPs could be used.
But as stated by the OP: I just don't know. Maybe still the Matrix, because all Sentinels can fly (HKs can, but not Terminators), they're fast and agile, and they may hold the numbers advantage.
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I'm pretty sure the OP misremembered where the machines the Matrix universe were. There would be absolutely no reason for Skynet to attack Zion unless that is the location of Machine City in this combined universe. Either way nukes are a huge advantage for Skynet if allowed but they cannot win if it comes down to Terminators vs Squids
Skynet is smarter since it actually invented a time displacement machine, this is exactly some twisted machine problem solving method: fix the problems at their source.
I agree that time travel is a fantastic feat of science. And Terminator models are also impressive.
But my point was that both Machine teams had different goals.
And my other point was that the Matrix team had the resistance dangling on a fishing wire.
Whereas Skynet constantly struggled against the humans regardless of their accomplishments.
And considering how easy it is for humans to capture Terminators and hack them to serve their goals it would only be a matter of time before they are reverse engineered to serve the Matrix team...but with better AI!
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Should be noted that if not for Neo making the truce with the Deus, Zion would have been indisputably FUBARed, whereas the humans always posed a challenging threat to Skynet.
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