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Sorry. Was that a proposal to do this very debate here as Battlezone? If not, you can just go and shut up, because you're scared to do it, princess, knowing that no judge would ever give Khan the win. And if you reply you're not interested in doing this as a Battlezone, you can just shut up as well, because that means you're not interested to debate that topic and are simply trolling here.
So either accept that Kylo wins, accept the challenge or shut your mouth. Your choice, cupcake.
Emphasis mine, for the lols.
So Kylo has the intention to "destroy" Finn? This is why he essentially tortures him in the fight (using the crossguard of his sword to dig into Finn's shoulder, where simply turning the blade in his hand would have resulted in cutting a significant portion of Finn's shoulder / chest open)? This is why he is so obviously toying with Finn that, once Finn manages to get a lucky strike in on him (with Kylo dodging most of the swing, in case you didn't notice), he does casually disarm him with the next move and cuts him down with the one following? Just asking.
He did put down Rey ASAP when knowing she could be a potential threat to him. He didn't see Finn as such and, actually, Finn wasn't. If Kylo wasn't toying with him but instead opting for a fast kill, he could just have frozen Finn on the spot in order to cut him down.
How so? He was obviously toying with Finn. Do you want to suggest that he is going to try toying with Khan?
He gets attacked by Poe and force pwns him. Rey tries to lift her weapon to shoot at him and he levels her with a preventive force attack. So if you want him to act "in character", he is going to freeze people if they try to shoot him and is going to us a force attack against them to disarm him if they even attempt to aim a weapon at him within his line of sight. So the latter would happen to Khan.
And applying character design to versus fights, is pretty damn idiotic. Why? Because of character limitations that, assuming a "bloodlusted, all want to kill the other" speculative versus fight setup should not limit characters to acting like they would against people in their respective universes. Kylo for example knows Rey and knows Finn, and hence can judge wether he can toy with them or not. He doesn't know Khan, so why should we expect that he behaves in a way similar to those confrontations? To point out how ridiculus that way of "reasoning" is: If one posts a versus fight to the death between Batman and a three year old child, the child must always win, because Batman doesn't kill his enemies. Does that make sense to you?
Furthermore, it is completely moronic to think you're talking about "character design" here, because you aren't. Kylo might be prone to arrogance, which leads to toying with his "prey" under certain circumstances. Correct. He is still known to apply Force attacks against opponent when he finds it necessary to do so and is ruthless enough to kill his own, unarmed father.
So under what circumstances do you think he would not view it as necessary to use a Force attack on Khan, who would be facing him with a rather huge gun in one of his hands and a rather huge rifle in the other?
How does distance even matter? He reacted at a shot fired behind his back and had the shot and the one shooting at him frozen in an instant, before the shot managed to cross half of the distance between Poe and Kylo. Against an opponent who is standing in front of him, he wouldn't need to turn around first in order to react, making his reaction even faster.
And I'm not ignoring the shot coming from Chewie. You are ignoring the context. Kylo had just killed his father and was clearly not focused on defending himself. That he could do it under normal circumstances should be obvious from the fact that he has defended himself from shots fired much faster from a far closer distance (the final shots he deflects from Rey before freezing her).
Urm. It's still you, who is the ignoramus here. Rey shooting at Kylo from a rather close distance and quite fast. He just deflected all of it.
And how would Khan's firing speed be of any use? First: You assume that he fires with a 100 percent accuracy. He doesn't. Even his first salvo (aiming at a group of immobile targets) just kills two enemies with four shots. And he keeps missing targets throughout the firefight with his first shots of a salvo. So, prey tell, why would he be more effective against Kylo than he is on screen? Exactly: He wouldn't. So even if he manages to get three shots off, he would probably miss two and have one easily deflected. Hell. Even if two or three are on the target, they would be placed in a way that would enable Kylo to deflect them.
Khan wouldn't even put one hole in him. That he can do so with some nameless Klingons doesn't mean he can do the same against a rather powerful force user, who has shown himself capable of easily dealing with enemy fire.
He was hit by a weapon that is constantly seen to throw people around like ragdolls when it hits them. Throughout the movie, every single enemy hit with that thing is picked up from the ground, tossed backwards and just dies. Furthermore we see a blast from the bowcaster detonating in front of two stormtroopers and it still kills them. So it's pretty much irrelevant where that thing hits you exactly, because of its firepower. That's like speculating if Khan did hit "vital organs" with his boolean gun, when we see it desintegrating entire torsos. Kylo gets hit, isn't thrown around and doesn't die. Fact.
Inexperienced? Are you referring to Rey, who is seen destroying two thugs at the beginning of the movie using her staff? And who then proceeds to floor a Stormtrooper, who has been trained for combat from infancy on? That "inexperienced" force user?
And may I point to the fact that she archives this solely by tuning in to the Force, because Kylo [even with his two wounds] was driving her back rather easily before that happened.
Let me check:
You ignoring that Force users possess precognition.
You ignore that Khan has no defense against Force attacks.
You ignore that Kylo can deflect enemy fire or freeze it mid-air.
You ignore that Kylo can freeze people on the spot using the Force.
You ignore every kind of context, attempting to gloss over high showings and apply low end showings, where they are clearly not applicable for your opponents side.
Essentially your argument is: "Because Kylo doesn't own all of his opponents with the Force, he would not do this to Khan. In turn, Khan will bypass Kylo's defense based on Kylo's lowest showing, the context of which I'm not going to apply, because it would destroy my 'argument' instantly."
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So you're upset I'm calling you out for blatant cowardice in another debate which demonstrates the lack of a spine you seem to not possess. You're just some poser who couldn't debate to save his life but instead will try to troll on throughout the whole process. Develop thicker skin, boy.
I never expressed an interest in a Kylo battlezone just to post in this thread but you posted in a battlezone challenge thread while debating and at the same time saying Star Wars wins handily. You then moronically said an unknown film won't matter aka you're biased and no amount of evidence will change your mind.
Yes, he viewed him as a traitor and was attempting to kill him with the lightsaber. They tend to hurt, maim, dismember, and kill. They aren't used to floss, regenerate, or give someone a headache to teach them a lesson. I didn't say Kylo didn't attempt X to play with his food but he was intending on killing him. He moronically got hit despite being wounded prior to the fight which shows a real lack of ruthlessness and intelligence considering the situation. He didn't dodge it and was tagged by a relative noob with a lightsaber who lacked force powers. The guy was crushed by a random stormtrooper prior to so this even bodes worse for Kylo. He still cut him down badly and didn't even get a kill strike which also makes him look worse since he definitely intended a death strike after he was hit.
He force pushed a woman with no superhuman durability. Rey wasn't out of the fight either as she came to. After she came to she overpowered Kylo in the force to acquire the lightsaber. He didn't do what you claimed he would. He didn't force freeze and kill anyone actually in that order. So again this isn't let's apply the powers however we want this goes to the effect of what these characters are likely to do.
Finn hurt him. That's what's worse. Despite being injured he isn't aggressive enough to put the guy down ASAP. He is likely to due to overconfidence and tactical stupidity.
Poe only fired one shot and the distance between them made it possible. Yes, Rey gets pushed back into a tree which isn't present and the force of the attack didn't significantly hurt her at all. Khan also has superhuman cellular regeneration. Ren didn't force freeze Rey two more times or Chewbacca. The majority of the evidence supports me not you. He can definitely start off with a force push but considering Khan's cellular regeneration I doubt it's even going to affect him even if there's a tree behind him.
Kylo knew his opponents so that's even worse since he knew Rey possessed the force and still didn't put her down. Kylo also was injured and he didn't fight aggressive enough to avoid the shoulder graze by Finn. That's a piss poor example. These guys fight each other consistent to the behavior in which they take on opponents. Kylo doesn't force freeze to start off the majority of his fights and he's never done so prior to a single foe firing first. Evidence. Facts. They matter.
He killed his own father who left himself wide open but Khan won't allow him the same chance. He isn't some moron who touches his sons face after he lands a fatal blow.
Khan has the quicker reactions and is definitely the more proactive of the two combatants. Evidence favors Khan here not the guy whose only first force attack is the force push which didn't even keep Rey out of the fight it just delayed her owning Kylo.
Because the bolt had a greater distance to travel to hit the target. If he shot it a foot away it'd hit him first. Distance always matters. If Kylo's speed was greater than those around him to this point a slow Finn thrust would never even come close to hitting him since its exponentially slower than the bolt with a much closer distance to travel. Precognition. He just had to turn around before it hit him. Not that impressive when we see the totality of his movie feats along with him with a lightsaber against untrained opponents.
If his reflexes were this good it wouldn't matter. Chewie nailed him. He didn't even retaliate on Chewie. Just because someone hits a half courter that does t mean they hit every half courter. 1/2.
She doesn't still fire as quickly as Khan's rifle and her rather pathetic weapon also lacks the power of the shoulder phaser cannon. When we have seen Khan pick off two Klingons simultaneously and one Klingon with three holes killing him instantly.
Khan puts down every Klingon who came his way. He also disarms Spock with relative ease. We see even amidst a crowded battlefield with no allies he takes them down with stunning efficiency.
We see he with the shots he does take on single opponents he puts three holes despite going airborne and jumping at his target. Now the superhuman soldier suddenly misses and becomes incompetent according to you. So you admit with three shots aimed at Kylo he has to deflect them. Progress.
Chewie did. Finn did. Rey did. Khan kills him.
Khan easily disarmed Spock who had a gun aimed of him first. Spock isn't a no named Klingon. Spock, Uhura, and Kirk were in awe of him. Not the case with Kylo even compared to Finn and Rey who were combat noobs.
So suddenly the Klingons are no names but now I'm supposed to marvel at chewies bowcaster that took out nameless troopers. The details are never irrelevant and the bowcaster doesn't kill on contact and lacks the destructive power and the feats of the phaser cannon. It brings down ships, kiddo.
Yes, Kylo isn't significantly wounded but Rey significantly hurt him with her saber. We see the difference. Rey had no force training and she beat two nameless guys and Finn didn't fight back.
1. Order 66, Finn hit Kylo with precognition, Chewie did as well.
2. Khan shoots him and is more of a proactive fighter and they attack in character.
3. Never once before they fired.
I just rebutted his entire argument. You cheerleading these days is what you've been reduced to after you've officially been outed as a petty, bitter Star Wars fan.
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