Superman and Adam fight...no possession. Superman mentally tells himself that he doesn't need to hold back because its Adam. They fight, the narration states Superman and Adam punches are like Bombs...Adam wasn't there to fight and him knowing Superman won't hit him while his back is turned, he turns around...Superman stop his punch in mid swing. After this Superman states "this punch had enough force to split a moon in half"...!!HYPERBOLE"/BOASTING.
You are terrible at this. I could easily point out the same happening to Superman but your lowballing would get overlooked and I will get a warning. Let's not take this route because it wouldn't look good on either character.
I'm not really arguing "wasn't" amped, though. I'm simply arguing that there isn't much evidence for a significant amp on a high level character.
It's nearly the exact same situation with Thor's hammer. We know it amps characters, yet Bill was already nearly on Thor's physical level to begin with. And Thor writers (Simonson, I believe is one of them..) stated their beliefs that if Bill started off 90% of Thor's strength, the hammer only amped him to that 100%.
Even a writers opinion is just an opinion, though.
But again, in the case of Superman there's that catch 22 I mentioned:
If we give Captain Marvel the benefit of the doubt that Supermans amp was significant, that means Mon El's amp was significant as well. You can't have it both ways and argue it wasn't....
Which is why I prefer to believe Cap holding back on a friend vs Superman going all out was the main factor, and that Superman (Being less pure than Cap, and unhindered by the voices of self righteous gods in his ear telling him what to do. Their influence great enough to prevent him from revealing his identity to the JSA so he could have a relationship with Star Girl.) was putting more effort behind it to stop Mon El.
The alternative, is that Superman did better against an amped Mon El than Cap did against an amped Superman.
That still leaves Superman beating an amped Mon El, though.
It's one thing to say he beat a "Base level +1" Mon El where Cap, even while holding back as usual, couldn't beat his Eclipsed self. But an amped Mon El? That's fanboy wankery material right there...
And you have to look at the entire series as a whole, instead of just one fight. What about Hal Jordon possessed, or Wonder Woman, or Starman, or Creeper...? Who else was amped, or seemed amped, besides some humans like Lois?
I agree with you about all of it and I think its highly impressive that Superman beat Mon...but let's be realistic, if Captain Marvel wanted to end that fight, he could have. He was restraining himself tremendously to the point that he allowed Eclipso to pound on him.
Good showing on both ends imo...it just depend on how you look at it. Do you think an amped Superman/Eclipso was holding back against Captain Marvel?
Eclipso can't amp sunlight based characters. Read first thunder and even back then eclipso was driven out by guy gardner pouring solar radiation on superman which was weakening him instead of amping him.
The first time he willingly gave the control to eclipso and the second time eclipso tricked him through lois. What's there to suggest that he wasn't struggling?
Superman is not possessed.
He says he doesn't have to hold back his power around Adam like he does around humans in fear he'll snap their bones like toothpicks.
As the fight progressed, Superman was throwing stronger and stronger blows, eventually Adam backed down, it was a non fight, really. I was merely commenting on the idea that Superman's power was still progressing all the way through the fight until Adam stopped. And nothing suggested he was a limit yet.
Carver got upset because his few examples in the thread so far have blown up in his face.
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