Assuming pre reboot WW, given the age of this thread.
WW wins.. maybe 5.5-6.
Not even because of a speed blitz, I just think the two will brawl, like Thor usually does against Hulk or Herc, and imo WW beats Thor in hand to hand..
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thor MIGHT be stronger, but the difference would be negligible, imo, and certainly not the deciding factor in any fight between them. if diana has just the lasso, i think thor can take a slight majority--maybe 6/10. if she has her other weapons i might say diana for the slight majority.
@Pr...we have never debated Wonder Woman's speed to my knowledge. Especially her being faster than Thor or Superman or any Herald like I said on the previous page. It doesn't matter though...I guess I was long overdue for a warning anyways.
I still think she is being underated here...Thor might win but it isnt going to be easy.
If you have some sort of chronic memory problem, then I'm going to apologise right now.
If not, no. We have debated it many times, and you've taken either one of two stances: When Superman is nowhere to be seen, WW has no feats. She's slow as shit. When Superman is involved, she's suddenly up there with the fastest of the heralds.
This two-faced, contradictory stupidity won't be tolerated, especially when you make snarky comments about the members of this forum.
If you want to debate Wonder Woman, then do so, USING MORE THAN ONE PANEL FROM A BIASED WRITER. Otherwise it's just you sticking your fingers on your ears and going "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".
it gets tiresome, and this isn't a day where i'm willing to put up with that crap.
I didn't look at the other pages, so don't know what the warning is for, but I agree with what you're saying here..
One of Thor's biggest advantages over Superman is his fighting experience, and against WW he doesn't have that.. Even without arguing speed, she should at least be comparable to Herc in stats, though personally I think she's stronger, and her combat skills are up there with the best in the DCU. Take that into consideration, plus her defenses being an answer for anything but Thor's most exotic powers (She should be able to defend against lightning, anti force, or a hammer toss, for example), and Thor is in for a fight..
Lol...I can tell today isn't a good day to mess with Pr and if we did talk about this, i honestly can't remember.
I'm not being two faced...my entire post had nothing to do with either Thor or Supes, it was focused more on her speed in general. I stated "minus flash" I cant picture anyone speed being above hers. This is a argument that should be battlezoned and isn't worthy for this thread and even though I like Wonder Woman, I don't care for the character to do it.
I get what you are saying and I'm off of the topic.
Not trying to tell on you Zack...this is how Superman was singled out... Pages before this, Superman name was brought up to me again. Thor is non-debatable...she is leagues faster than him but people came at me with Superman. It could have been Nova, Gladiator, it could have even been Jay and I still would have stuck by my statement. You already know how I am Pr...I can't back down from an argument but this argument...I did not start.
Pretty much. She is faster, more skilled. They're roughly equal in strength, with Thor more durable and versatile. Baring the odd speedblitz/versatility usage, all of them would be close fights with Diana's lasso, mobility and h2h prowess having to be countered by Thor's raw attacks and lightning strikes. The lasso would pretty much be the biggest problem, as I don't see Thor avoiding it.
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Lol...please tell me you graduated with a masters in criminal justice?
I can tell you enjoy researching...especially when you find stuff on me.
I said "both including all Heralds" at first. My point wasn't focused on Superman, it was Heralds as a whole.
I accept my warning Pr...I have no prob with it. One day I might battlezone this and I will come to you first to see if there is a problem. I will not post anymore speed comments with Wonder Woman vs any Heralds but imo, she is faster and has proven it imo. Not just Superman (since I think his raw speed is much better) but basically all of them. We have different opinions of the character and my purpose isn't to change yours (especially today).
Zack, be prepared...when I decide to do that battlezone, I am point you out. Diana reflexes vs any Herald of your choice.
To call it research implies that i made some sort of reasonable effort.
Given that i've read more of both characters than you have, i don't see you changing my mind.
If you want to battlezone wonder woman's speed against someone else's, then so be it. i'd just recommend you read more than mcbiased's run on jla, or you'll get a very rude awakening.
I agree as well...you have read more...I never stated otherwise. I have been debating against (and never with) you for 7 years, 6 months, 3 days, and 8 hours...I know this is going to sound crazy but I know you buddy and knew you were going to come in here and say something about my posts.
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Last edited by carver9 on Sep 18th, 2011 at 05:28 PM
Yes, Mcduffie was heavily biased during his run (the panel you posted was something he put in to his comic just to stick it to a bunch of forum members), and admitted that he actually had to nerf Superman to write JLA.
Yeah, I seen the Interview. I think you posted it as well in the past. I know he had a dislike for the character. Where did you get the forum part from?
From a link someone gave me a while back. He was arguing on one of his forums about the "Usain Bolt v Bruce Lee" thing with a bunch of people as regards the speed difference between Superman and Diana, and when people weren't willing to side with him, he stuck it in the comic.
The truth is, I don't like that kind of thing. You're supposed to be respectful of the characters you're writing. Once you let your own personal feelings get too in the way we get things like Fraction's X-Men or Johns' Flash.
I actually think Clark and Diana are around even in terms of reflexes, generally. He just hits harder than she does because of his strength advantage.
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