well here is how it is in the marvel encycopedia
hulk intelligence is a 6 on a scale of 7 though he is a unstoppable beast he is still bruce banner a 6 is rated as a super genius
juggernaut intelligence is a 2 out of 7 which is a normal level in other words he's no smarter than me
hulk speed is a 3 out of a 7 which is superhuman peak 700 mph
juggernauts is a 2 out of a 7 which is again normal though he is so called unstoppable he still doesn't go faster than say an olympic athlete
hulk and juggernauts durability are the same at a 7 out of 7 which is virtually indestructable
energy projection there the same also a 1 out of 7 which is none
fighting skills is what levels it off if nothing else does hulk is a 4 out of 7 in fighting skills which is experienced fighter and juggernaut is only a 3 out of 7 which is only had some training and remember this is all out of the marvel encyclopedia
not to mention hulk does have a healing factor equal to wolverines so call me stupid but statistically i would hafta say the hulk.
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if your going by the marvel encyclopedia your not using true comic book distictions in your final result of who would win in a VS battle. The marvel excyclopedia is bogus on many levels of it's facts. It states apocalypse as being the strongest mutants. Every true marvel readers know that the dark pheonix and X-man are the strongest mutants as of now. It gives x-man a bottom level of power, when he has exceeded the dark pheonix. Juggernaut is NOT unstoppable. Look at the facts of his losses in the past. WOLVERINE. OMEGA RED, ROUGUE. SPIDERMAN, EXODUS, And the Hulk have turned the juggernaut into a little bit*ch. All these above stated characters among others have stopped and beat the juggernaut. And hulk's intelligence is not 6 im sorry. You can take your marvel encyclopedia bullshit else where. When bruce is the hulk he is no longer in controll or aware of his conscious. This means he is the HULK. Everyone knows the Hulk is a primative mind. Excluding the newer intelligent hulk, but im going by originals. Simple fact is that juggernaut is of course a formitable foe,but in the end proves to be no real match for the HULK. If you still dont believe this. There is printed proof in previous issues
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theres one small fact here people are forgeting - Juggernaut Can NOT be killed, the only way is to stop him(untill he comes back), read the comics - Hulk can be killed so if this went toe to toe till death there is only one winner - juggs - hulk maybe albe to stop the Juggernaut but kill him impossable, on there other hand hulk can be killed
juggernaut can be killed thats a fact. He gets his power from the m'kraan crystal. Juggernaut is invincible inside his suit of armor that his powered by the m'kraan. take him out of the suit he's nothing more than a muscle man. Jugger nauts armor was destroyed by the gladiator before. The x-men got his helmet off, Xavier shut his mind off, they took the armor off and gladiator threw it in the sun. He did later escape and get even stronger armor. My point is all hulk needs to do is get past the armor. This may be a bit challenging for the Hulk, but after going toe to toe with the strongest hero in the world (superman) jugg heads armor would be nothing.
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you right about crystal, but not about the armor,juggernaut is still invincible out side the suit as long as he has the crystal, that is the sorce of all his power, the x-men did get is helmet off but only so that pro x could use telepathic powers on him, this then only made him forget why he was fighting, he did come back and he is still out there(not been killed), the only way that it would be possible to kill him is to the find the crysatal and take aways his powers! and i don't think the hulk his cleaver enough to do that.
No During the comic series "x-tinction agenda" Back when jeggernaut had the crystal embeded within the armor. The x-men got his helmet off and xavier did indeed shut down his mind allowing them to get his armor off. Seeing how the crystal was through out the armor, he was just a regualar man, gladiator then threw the armor in the sun. Juggs later escaped from omega, and used a peice of the crystal he had hidden away. Magneto asisted him on creating a new suit, with particales of the crystal made into the armor. It is said though that the second time around juggernaut fused his physical body with the crystal though, however this was never confirmed. Even assuming this was true, The Pheonix's telepathic abilities can peirce juggs armor. X-man is another mutant that juggernaut is no match for, X-man tore juggernauts armor off using only his teelepathy, This was back during age of A-poc when X-man was still just discovering his abilities.
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If X-man can tare of his armor using only telepathy the Hulk could definetly rip it off him, look what he did to Onslaught. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't his healing factor better then Wolverine's and Sabretooth's. I'm actually asking because I'm not sure about it. Everyone is talking about Jugg head's defensive ability, what could he do to the Hulk offensively. Not a damn thing, maybe he could piss him off more , but that's about it. I don't know much about Juggernaut except he's Kain Marko brother of Prof X and he get's his powers from a crystal and he's really strong, but I do know lot's about Hulk and he's lifted a mountain before, that to me is the decisive factor. I don't see Juggernaut lifting mountains.
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your right morph, and ive been doing some reasearch, and even if the hulk can get the suit of which he won't beacuse jugg's can put up a force field(you can only get it down by Mentally probing him ), jugg's skin can not be penatrated by any Physical force, and i mean thor could not hurt him never mind the hulk!!!!!!!!!!
one last thing - the x-men have one very special wepon - professor x, jugg's can be stopped Mentally!!! anyone else like spiderman have only held him at bay(spiderman buried him in concrete, which he stopped there for year, but it did not kill him ASM#230)
I'm not sure on the issue numbers, but the x-force was chasing juggernaut. Juggernaut made it to newyork. Spidey got in touch with the x-men. the x-men were busy this was during the fatal attractions series with the x-men. Any way spidey was eventually contacted by the x-force. cable told spidey to hold him untill they could make it. Spidey fought juggernaut for two days. day and night. He wore juggernaut down to where he was so fatigued he could barely walk. X-force made it to new york at this time. Stryfe had strong man tear his helmet off. He did so. Stryfe then began to penetrate his mind, however this gave juggs a physical jolt. He came to and decimated the entire x-force(excluding cable) Spidey then cleaned up the job. He wore juggs down again until Stryfe regained his compsure and pierced juggs mind with a psyonic blast.
The second time when spidey did incase juggernaut in cement was when the X-force was intrested in juggernaut on key information on the where abouts of magneto's apprentice Exodus. Jugger naut was in new york stalking his brother Xavier, however he was given bad information and xavier was no longer in new york, so he got mad. Real mad and starting causing a ruckus in the city. You can guess what happens next
Juggernaut can manifest a force field. The longer he keeps it up the more energy he loses. I know Hulk beat juggs 3 times. well one was a draw. But this was before Juggernaut got his new suit fully covering his body, and before he fused with the crystal. However even if they did meet now it wouldnt be the same seeing how the hulk is no longer bruce banner. ThE hulk now is intelligent. He is intelligent when he is and is not the hulk. He is stronger than bruce banner as the hulk, but bruce banner hulk was more powerfull because the madder he got the stronger he got. The new hulk does not hold this ability. So we will never know who would actually win, because even though hulk beat juggs. that was before juggs became the ever powerfull villan we know now.
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i dont know the hell that marvel book is but its wrong!! id like to see colloses stand up to one of the eternals of titan. or galactucus!!
same with juggernaut
hulk is dum , but need i remind you hes also a scientist!
but juggernout wears armour and hulk wears shorts
and also doesnt that hat protect him from telepathy
think about all these factors and youll relise that at the result will be
a tattered hulk lying on the floor with a pear of riped shorts and juggds standing victourios>!!
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Juggernaut for sure. Juggernaut is invincible. Not even adamantium can scratch him. The only way that he ever was defeated was when his helmet was removed and a telepath messed with his mind.
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Hulk beat him two tiems in the past, but of course that was before he had his suit update. I remember for a while every time juggernaut had an appearance, he always had a huge dint in the back of his armour, and that was from when apoc punched him to show him who was the master. LOL juggernaut never questioned apoc again lol
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How is Juggernaut going to stand a chance against the Hulk? Hulk just needs to keep getting pissed. I saw him lift up a mountain in the Infinity Wars. A freakin mountain! Juggernaut is just some punk with a curse. This poll should have been:
Drax the Destroyer (with Power infinity crystal) vs Hulk
And that would be a better fight, except I'm pretty sure Drax has energy projection abilities
Do u ppl actually read all the rants? I guess not, cuz many ppl here keep just repeating the same thing all over again. After reading Remorses' rant I have absolutely nothing more to read. I vote for the HULK, and that is for the first Hulk Bruce banner and for the new Hulk.
Juggy can kiss my butt. I don't care what he has on, he is still a stupid character with lots of power. If spidey wore him off, then there is no point in having all that power. If he can't catch Spidey then he should just quit the day job. Don't think I undermine Spidey.
I hope some of u watched Fist of the North Star. There is a quote from that anime I would like to share with u guys.
"Power without perception is nothing" said Ken's father before he got killed by his own son Raul.
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