I have little doubt that the Hulk, through the course of a heated battle, could easily dwarf Wonder Woman in pure strength. Speed, agility and tactical ability, that's something different.
I know that Wonder Woman is more vulnerable than that of the Hulk. By her own admission, while she can sustain a hit from a large, blunt object with barely a bruise, her skin can be pierced by small objects traveling fast enough. Of course, the fact that she deflects bullets and other missiles with her bracelets reveals this fact without the explanation, doesn't it? The Hulk doesn't think twice about bullets, arrows, and other small projectiles. The Hulk is tougher, and that should be obvious to you.
As for her bracelets deflecting the Hulk's blows... I'm not sure how to explain this exactly. The Hulk's fists are each roughly the size of my TV. I'm no physics or geometry expert, but something tells me you need a bigger shield for something that big.
In a realistic fight, Wonder Woman would have to have a pretty good plan to avoid being beaten or fleeing. If she had a good plan, she would probably win. Eleveninches is right about the crossover thing.
Does Hulk "dwarf" Hercules in strength (er, you do recall Hercules lifting Long Island, I presume)? No. Does Hulk "dwarf" Superman in strength? No. Wonder Woman is stronger than Hercules yet places just beneath Superman in strength. Hell, WW moved 1/3 of the moon.
You are attempting to predict just how angry The Hulk would get during a "heated battle." Hulk has never, ever lifted nearly as much as he has in Secret Wars #4 during a battle. Not saying that he WILL not; by the same token, you cannot say that he WILL.
Re: Vulnerability, that will not come into play in the event Hulk cannot hit what Hulk cannot see. She is weak against sharp bullets and weapons - and since when did Hulk ever use these? Blunt objects (fists, for example)? She is in Superman's class. She has taken Khund Warheads to the chest. She has taken blows from a Doomsday clone.
Re: Hulk's fists, that is hyperbole of Biblical proportions. Big as your television? What do you have, a 10" television? Hulk is ~7', 1000lbs. He is slightly bigger than the late wrestler, Andre The Giant. Um, images to support my point?
Look like television sized fists to you? See Superman deflecting Hulk's fist with his arm? Wonder Woman's bracelets allow her to take hits from Superman. Superman has punched through time. She will, without question, be able to deflect Hulk's fists.
And, btw, Wonder Woman has fought Captain Marvel to a standstill (DC's equal to Superman).
Superman has punched through time, eh? This wouldn't happen to be Pre-Crisis Superman, who was also capable of moving the moon out of its natural orbit, would it? If this is Pre-Crisis Superman, then he doesn't count. They made up new and various abilities for him as they went along.
I amend my statement about the size of the Hulk's fists. At times, they are the size of TVs and other times, the siz of small cars. He is drawn differently in different comics. I'm not talking about Lou Ferrigno Hulk, I'm talking about the comics Hulk who is usually drawn not too dissimilarly from the movie Hulk. Either way, his fists are huge. Much bigger than the bracelets.
Again, I know i've been out of the scene for awhile, but since when has a second rate character such as Wonder Woman become second to only superman in strength in the DCU? Were her sales sagging so badly (again) that DC had to make her some serious super broad? I mean, if I see a question like this, I usually dont bother because the outcome is so one sided, but now people are are trying to tell me that Wonder Woman can smack the Hulk around. I dont get it. The Hulk should be able to whip her no matter how pissed he is. If Wonder Woman can beat up Marvels strongest hero who has class 100+ strength, then maybe I need to reconsider Marvels heros. It sounds like DC got out of hand somewhere along the line.
If Post-Crisis Superman can "punch through time" and Wonder Woman can lift 1/3 of the Moon, then yes, DC has gotten quite out of hand. I thought that nonsense was over and done with by 1986. Our resident hostile authority is here to tell us that it isn't.
I assume that he's referring to Terror Incognita, a JLA story. In it, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern pull the moon towards the Earth. Of course, we don't actually know that Wonder Woman was lifting a third of the Moon; Superman could have been shouldering most of the burden.
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Marvel "keep's it real" that's why there hero's are the easiest to realate too. altho they are getting a little sci fi as of late, i much rather see that than a bunch of hero's fighting like neo. althougth Superman Prime come's in handy when crazed DBZ fanboy's((go to armored core online to se what i mean)) start prazing Super Sayin's
I don't want to sidetrack the discussion, but comic fans who want less powerful heroes than Superman and his ilk are free to check out ...
Batman Adventures
Batman
Nightwing
Robin
Detective Comics
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight
Birds of Prey
Batgirl
Batman: Gotham Knights
Catwoman
Green Arrow
Gotham Central
Hawkman
Outsiders
Teen Titans
Hellblazer
Y-The Last Man
The point I'm making is that even if some DC heroes are overpowered, and no matter how many "Godlike" entities Never was able to list, DC provides plenty of material for fans who want to keep it down to earth.
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I agree about getting back on topic, but just looking at the list of DC characters above got me thinking too that alot of people keep saying that Batman can beat just about anybody IF HE HAS TIME TO STUDY THE CHARACTER. I think thats a load of BS too. Yeah, it was shown in some crossover that he gassed the Hulk and took him down (whatever) and he also kicked him in the stomach and the Hulk (I guess) actually reeled from this. Thats the lamest thing i've ever heard. The writers need to be just a tad realistic sometimes. I mean if somebody like Thanos is battling somebody like the Shroud. Why is it imperative that the Shroud should get a punch or kick in? The battle should be over in like 2 seconds. Same with the fight between the Hulk and Batman! Hulk and Wonder Woman might or should last about 10 minutes due to the fact that I think Wonder Woman could probably take one or two punchs and evade the Hulk for a small time. Once he get ahold of her, it really should be all she wrote. IMO!
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Do not recall stating that Wonder Woman can beat the Hulk - and in the event you are actually referencing any statement I did make, mind quoting it for me? I challenged our resident hostile ignoramus to provide a scenario wherein Hulk would stomp Wonder Woman considering her strength, speed, warrior training, and weapons. Ignoramuses fare not well in neither logic nor creative thinking, of course.
Wonder Woman, "second rate character?" LoL, in what sense?
Could Hulk defeat The Flash, for example? Hell, can Hulk defeat Quicksilver? Aurora? Northstar? Impulse? How does Hulk fare against speedsters?
Re: Batman with prep time, this is common knowledge. He is simply capable of devising the means to defeat - or, at the very least, "neutralize" - nigh any foe, GIVEN PREP TIME. Have you not read, for example, the "Tower of Babel" story arc? This is yet another testament to his tactical genius.
Eleveninches, did you pick up JLA vs. Avengers? The "seperate universe" ploy is not so foolproof, is it?
I don't know what's worse. Having a pansy-ass, self-righteous, immature, stuck-up moderator with no ability to think or argue ban me for a month for not backing down, or finding myself wishing the prissy little sissy would deign to visit the Comic Books Movies Discussion board once in a while and say something when a member significantly more hostile than I won't shut up. No justice. Not even on a superhero forum.
Lord R, you know it looks bad to have a raging product of child abuse (and gamma radiation) beating a woman into submission. In a story, for the purposes of the story, Wonder Woman would win or leave it at a stalemate. Realistically, not so much.
On a more relevant note, I think Wonder Woman would win. I'm not a huge Hulk fan, so I could be mistaken, but I believe that Wonder Woman is significantly faster than the Hulk. It really doesn't matter who's stronger if she can move fast enough to avoid everything he throws at her.
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