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You DO realize that in KOTOR, Revan was limited by a memory wipe and game mechanics, which were horribly primitive to KOTOR II? And there weren't three Sith lords to kill in the first game...
Visas lost deliberately to the Exile, btw. Thought that was obvious. And lastly, you say you don't speak in could haves...
One of those robots was more then powerful enough to kill a Jedi Master.. Revan faced dozens at once.
About Visas being powerful, thats crap.. She wasn't, she was the apprentice because she was blind and saw through the force. she could see things that others could not. Nihilus did not need a powerful apprentice, he needed one that could help him with stuff that he could not do himself. See.
About the Exile getting his power back, yes he got it back when he picked up Nihilus his mask... Which brings me to the following point...
Kotor II if finished would have been something like this
intro: Revan walks up to kreia "Go find a way to kill Nihilus" "okay"
game happends
Exile kills Nihilus and follows Kreia to Malachor, where he either kills her or works with her to kill his friends. Either way after that Revan shows up and beats the crap out of you.
Remember that cave on Korriban, that one shows the story as it was supposed to be, the only difference is though that Revan there isn't immortal. Every opponent you face in that cave except the real one's can be killed in one strike. Revan however needs more then one, Revan was amazingly powerful and if Kotor II would have been finished, he would have owned the Exile's ass at the end of the game.
But lets just say that was never the intention for the game then its still a matter of putting facts together.
- The Exile has killed what four Jedi Masters at most, plus three Sith Lords from which only one was impressive. The Exile and Nihilus were still the same, you can't ignore that. And Sion wasn't powerful he was just hard to beat.
- Revan had more Jedi Masters then that serving under him during the Mandelorian and Jedi Civil war. He has killed far more Jedi then that, and faced a lot of the most powerful Jedi alive at that time.
- Kavar who was one of the hardest masters to beat in the game, second to Vrook. He admits himself that he easily lost to Malak. Revan his apprentice.
- The Exile followed Revan, he was never Revan. He did not learn the teachings of the Jedi and the Sith, he was just a general. A tactician. Not a military genius.
- The only thing the Exile did what was really impressive was killing Kreia, killing Revan his former master. Kreia however admits that she was weaker then Revan. Sion also says Revan is stronger then Kreia. So that is not something Revan could not have done.
All in all, the exile has done nothing Revan could not have done, and most of what he has done is far less impressive then what Revan has done... And thats just considering the unfinished game.
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Do any of you know when KOTOR 3 is suppose to be released and which company is releasing it?
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Obsidian is most likely making it, first guesses on release is most likely 2007 nothing sure yet though... All a big mystery, anyways what does that have to do with the topic?
Obviously Revan would win. But it might be that maybe in some time the Excile becomes more powerful to eventually be able to challenge Revan to a duel.
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'pwn' is the new term for 'own', like in games when you kill someone, you own them. Probably started in Counter-Strike or something as a typo and then spread like a disease. It's pronounced 'pone'. I dunno, I still use own rather than pwn.
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Dude true revan had jedi serving under her in the Mandalorian and Jedi civil war but how many "powerful" Jedi do we actually see her face. Only Bandon (saber fodder) and Malak who didn't truly understand the awesome powr of the force, he just tried to use it to gain power. We see that she beat Juhani but she had just gotten out of training we see her beat Bastilla at the end of the game but we know that Bastilla didn't have the strength that Revan did. And revan didn't pwn anybody except maybe bastilla in the end and HK-47 but he's a droid people followed her on free will. The exile pwn everybody that traveled in his party (sans Kreia and T3-M4 nobody own that little droid he comes anmd goes as he pleases). We could go on the assumption that she has killed many Jedi but we actually see the EXILE kick three sith lords *sses and if DS four Jedi Master's *sses that's evident *ss kicking. How do we know the other dark jedi besides MALAK didn't just fear revan so much they didn't want to fight her. And MALAK feared her too at the hieght of her power that's why he didn't challenge her man to woman. Yes you do have to be a bad *ss motherF*ck#r to be awarded the title Dark lord of the sith but who did Revan have to challenge for that title and how powerful was that person? We don't know, he could have been weaker than Bastilla who is tough but not Revan tough. The Exile (and maybe it's not him, maybe it's his story that I love so much) we see him actually face off against these people, (and using logic not how easily you was able to beat the SH*T out of them) these sith lords were powerful mofos. I could give you reasons why every Kotor I & II sith Lord (sans Kreia) was weak but that's not the point I'm trying to prove. I'm saying that we see proof of the exile's greatness. The man deserve's an award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence, From what I was actually able to see. It's not that I don't like Revan he found the star forge twice which is not easy and she was powerful but I see the Exile's greatness. And I can't wait to see what else happens to him.
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Okay Revan was a Sith, his followers listened to Sith teachings. Jedi Councillors listened to Sith teachings, these councillors were weaker then Revan, Malak and Bandon otherwise they would have been the apprentices.
You can say Bandon is weak but facts contridict that, he was powerful damn powerful the fact that he was beaten so easily only makes Revan more impressive. And yes you can say the Exile did stuff, but everybody in Kotor II admits Revan could have done so, the things Revan has done were far more impressive....
Maybe you don't see it in game, but both games talk about it... A LOT, meaning basicallaly that you are now argueing against facts given in both games... Why?
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And don't forget, arguing the facts from the official KOTOR II website... Revan's a guy. The Exile's gender is only in question. Not that that matters, but it irks me when people go off on Revan being a girl. Not the case.
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Dude Revan kicked Bandons *ss easily you say he was powerful but as the exile I was able to beat the SH*T outta the sith lords alone and the Jedi Masters alone. And I (I could be wrond, highly unlikely) think that all of those sith lords were more powerful than than Bandon. With Revan I had the help of two other Jedi. Fishy Dude you keep saying that Revan could have done the things the Exile has done but the Exile actually does it. I could have become become a great soccer player but Beckham actually did it. We know that Revan could have beat Scion but where in the game does anybody actually say that? And do they know know for sure that he would have known how to beat Scion. I see that happen in KOTOR II. In the game I see the Exile break scion's will and Nihilus' back. If you want to say that Revan could have done these things I could say that the Exile could have done what Revan did. He could have altered peoples mind to fight against thier homelands (and much better I might add) he could have led a war against the republic, and found the Starforge ect. But he didn't REVAN did those acts not the exile. THE EXILE beat those 4 Master jedi alone and 3 Sith lords alone, created more Jedi changed and altered peoples minds for NOT REVAN. The Exile had his own set of accomplishments which I believe are much better.
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First things first...
The Exile didn't beat Four Master Jedi alone, technically. It's one of two possible scenarios, and even if the Exile turned out to be evil and the darker ending was correct, he'd still get pwned by Revan and left to die on Malachor V. And Nihilus is defeated with the aid of Mandalore and Visas. So if you're going to downplay Revan's defeat of Bandon by saying he had help, then why not do the same with the Exile's victory over Nihilus? And as for creating more Jedi, that's nonsense. The Exile has the potential to set four individuals on the path to being Jedi. Hardly an accomplishment. Revan turned more Jedi masters and knights and padawans to the dark side than any before him or since. So that's moot. As for altering people's minds, Revan dominated all who came before him mentally. He had Kreia, who can kill three Jedi masters with a single motion, at his beck and call. Malak was his inferior. None of the great Jedi who led the Order in this time period were willing to challenge Revan. Those who may have are doubtless dead or converted.
What it all boils down to is that you're seeing the Exile as more impressive just because the stakes were upped in the sequel. I mean, in KOTOR I, there was a level twenty cap, limited weapons, upgrades and armor, less force abilities and feats, and a much slower-paced gamplay overall. But what you're saying is, Revan, given that he was in the Exile's position, could not be as good. Ludicrous. Revan has always been the exile's superior.
lucasarts has declared the lightside ending canon. therefore the Exile only killed 3 sith, and one jedi master. also, what about all of the Sith in the True Sith Empire that Revan in fighting during KOTOR 2? I know if isn't proven or anything, but he may have alredy killed like a thousand sith. I would definately think he has killed atleast four which places him above the Exile.
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Dude Revan couldn't have beat Nihilus. The reason Nihis was a powerful dark lord was because of how he used the force. Nihilus was consuming the Force the reason the Exile beat him is because the Exile was a special case of a being who didn't really posses the force but used it from everybody else. But The Exile was able to do exactly the same thing Nihilus was. Which was power himself through the force. If he was to square off against Revan he could use the same abilities. And glen trac he could have killed thousands of sith but we don't know that all we know is that she was awarded or usurped the title of dark lord of the sith. And Janus Exar Kun was able to do the same thing turning students against master but we don't know how many in either case we assume what he did but don't really know. By saying things like she probably killed X amount of sith. We could also say that she served cake to her prisoners we don't know so lets not assume
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Revan could indeed not beat Nihilus because it was impossible for him to win. The Exile could indeed win because he was the same as Nihilus only he didn't draw power from them he got it from them.
The exile was only as strong as his companions. Nihilus was as strong as everybody nearby. Revan could beat the Exile. Not to mention the Exile becomes one after Nihilus is dead and he losses his entire reason for existing.
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