I know how Kasparov plays chess. Can I beat him now ?
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C'mon who kid can't bring that into play.
If you were a season, well versed chess player then I would say why not?
Study the man's behaviors, tendencies, game play and apply proper counter strategic moves and yes then I would say your chances increase drastically, otherwise no!!!
WIth the scenario here. Your analogy would presume that Cap has no kind of formal training, expertise, stategic counteroffense due to intel to best SM AT ALL!!! that I disagree wholeheartedly
Even if Cap knew what Spidey was gonna do, even if he could predict
what Spidey's actions, reactions, moves, webs, and everything.....
....what's he gonna do? Hit Spiderman? Punch him? Kick him?
Spidey can take hits from Cap all day.
Is it totally unrealistic to think Spidey won't get at least a few hits on Cap?
One good punch is all he will really need....
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Spiderman's style is his own, but that does not mean his technique is flawless by any means. He throws punches and kicks that are just as counterable as any other punch or kick...specifically his uppercut which leaves a huge opening to the body and face.
By saying that Spiderman can dodge 90% of what Cap can throw at him, you've just turned Captain America into a run of the mill bank robber. Captain America might miss one or two times, but by then he'll start calculating movements and then coordinating counter measures.
The surface of Cap's shield resists the adhesion of Spiderman's webs and when thrown, the shield is fully capable of cutting a line of Spiderman's web.
Spiderman only thinks 1 or 2 steps ahead of his competition....usually "trying" different methods before he finds the optimal attack. Captain America regularly works several steps ahead of his opponent.
Captain America is Captain America because he doesn't lose to ANYONE 9 out of 10 times...
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One horizontal shield swipe to the back of Spiderman's head and he's out cold.
Spidey's body could take the abuse all day....severe head trauma only takes a few good shots.
Theoretically...one hit is all Spiderman needs. But lets be realistic here....how many times have you seen Cap get thrown into a wall or was sent flying by a back hand only to get up? Just about everytime. He's a superhuman, not a regular one.
this one comes down to strength and endurance. Cap's sheild could buy him some time, but his shield would result only in a night of bruises for spiderman while he throws back a brew and kicks his feet up on the shield of the late captain america.
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realism isn't what it used to be...... neither is nostalgia for that matter.......
Cap was created to be a "peak" human, in any bio it says "peak" human, not super-human..... that was the whole point of him......to show what a human can be capable of at "peak" level
Marvel continually writes Cap as the last man standing (not always, but close enough) i've always found this to be bull..... fair enough, he's a good tactician but against a foe like Spidey that only helps him for the first second before the fight begins
this is exactly why he'll lose........ a ton of "bad guys" have tried to calculate and counter Spidey's movements, including the sentinels, the thing they can't understand is that anything they calculate doesn't matter........ they can say "he's moving this way so i strike.....NOW" but it wont help, even after Cap calculates, strategises and plans his next 5-7 steps, Spidey's spidey-sense says "i've got a better idea..... lets NOT get hit" and he outmaneuvers him on pure instinct
giving Cap 90% hit rate was fairly generous i'd say..... i'd give a bank robber 0-5% max...... and that's only if they have a few guys and some hostages..... i'd only give Iron Fist 50-75% hit rate....... but i think IF would beat Cap
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When Stan Lee and Steve Ditko set out to create
"the most unique superhero ever," they didn't f*ck around....
They succeded beyond their wildest expectations with Spiderman.
To this day, there is NO hero in comics with the combination of
super: strength, agility, equilibrium, sixth-sense, etc.
That's why Spiderman is so difficult for anyone to fight.
It's not that people overestimate Spiderman, it's that people who
don't read a lot of Spiderman underestimate his combo of powers.
In fact, traditionally, Spiderman's strength is usually under-written.
He's rarely ever shown to demonstrate his FULL strength against people.
True. Except for the spider-sense, Spider-Man's powers really are nothing special.
It's the combination however that kicks as.
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yeah....... i remeber one time Spidey was fighting the Beetle and the whole time he was kicking Abe's a$$ he was lecturing him on the advantages of having well rounded powers......then he threw him through an electric billboard........sweet!
SM is not such a unique character. Granted he is a great fighter and good character but to make him out like he is practically unstoppable is madness. The sentinels can't gauge SM or really anybody for that matter. Who or what can predict accurately someone's next move?
I argued in Cap's favor originally just to make things interesting. Despite all of that truly if my money was riding on it, SM would win. But people I just wanna mention that unlike this forum general belief of SM being able to vanquish pretty much everybody earthbound in MU, it's not the case. SM is great, ,really great but let's be clear that there are heroes way out of his league.
But at least he's not the boring "last man standing" like Cap was in for example Infinity Gauntlet, when Thanos beat everybody except Cap (who wasn't really fighting, only running around a bit and screaming "Attack !").
SM loses sometimes of secondraters, but in the next issue, he smashes a powerhouse. He's not Mr. perfect and makes mistakes, sometimes lots of them, but when he's impressive, he kicks ass like nobody else.
That's why I like him.
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of course there are people out of his league...... lot's of them....... but Captain America is definitely not one of them
the main reason i like Spidey is because he's not invulnerable, invincible, doesn't have a power for every day of the year and can't warp time or space....... he's mortal, tries his hardest, gets his ass kicked on occasion and still makes it to work the next day
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Super serum.....super soldier. Shit, it's all the same difference, call him peak human, then look at the list of accomplishments on his resume and tell me how non-super he is...
Fact...Spiderman WILL NOT knock Captain America out in one punch. It just won't happen. Could it? Theoretically yes, but will it? No.
A "ton of bad guys" try to calculate his moves? name one.
Once you do that...compare him to Captain America....then get back to me.
I wouldn't say giving Captain America a 90% hit rate is all that generous, because he won't just sit there aimlessly swinging at Spiderman in hopes of one day hitting him....he'll hit him, clean, and hard.
Yeah he isn't like Batman who, in that endless utility belt of him, has (according to the fanboys) a weapon for every hero/villain/crisis.
Like Spider-Man once said : "My idea of preptime is wearing clean underwear."
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
name one?...... Chance.... not as physically tough as Cap but has a bunch of weapons controlled by computer that hit faster than Cap
sentinels (during Onslaught) attacked, followed, calculated, ganged up on and got beaten by Spidey....... multiple sentinels compared to Cap are a much bigger threat
Iron Man 2020.... used computer targeting and analysis..... got beat to a pulp by Spidey..... compared to Cap.... tougher and way better armed
sorry.......... got a little carries away........ you only wanted one.......
who kid I just wanna address one thing you mentioned and that's when to relate to a character, I don't think of Spidey, but I think of Bats. Here is a young boy who witnesses his parents death, never got over it or the grieving process, decides not to be a victim anymore nor let others be a victim. Instead of going off hiding and enjoying his millions as a playboy, he decides to do something about it, trains his mind and body into a lethal weapon and uses his state of the art access to techs to better his odds against foes he knows he might one day encounter who are immensely more powerful then him. Now THAT'S RESPECT, COURAGE AND LOVE FOR A CHARACTER. You just can't compare the both, in my opinion.
Scoobles I just wanna say that Arno Starks was a cheap version of the real mccoy. Granted the guy is related to Stark but he was no Stark neither thought or fought like Stark. Just cuz I would wear IM's armor doesn't make me worthy or experienced to go fight metahumans. It takes more than an armor to do the things Stark has!!!!
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