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Darth_Nefarus
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Well, IMHO Luke was all powerful. Like I said, Anakin v.2.badass
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May 12th, 2005 07:35 PM |
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Fishy
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Yeah well I havn't seen anything that would convince me of that, so i'm just going to assume that in a duel he's going to lose... He can win but he needs to throw every force technique he has at Tulak hope that they can't be blocked
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May 12th, 2005 07:37 PM |
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Wanderer259
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Luke might be more powerful, but it doesn't make him the best with a lightsaber. Yoda was more powerful than Mace, wasn't he? Yet he wasn't the best duelist. Mace, at the very least, stalemated what Yoda could not.
Of course, it can be argued that Yoda was not as martially focused as Mace yadda yadda yadda.
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May 12th, 2005 07:39 PM |
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Naga Sadow
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Location: Hell
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well, jar jar survived the fight between federation and gungans just cuz he had to be in EP2. that doesnt make him stronger then other gungans...
Tulak would win, the prophecy sucks, luke never had to face opponents who could even come close to Hord
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May 12th, 2005 07:42 PM |
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Fishy
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Exactly...
All you have to do to beat Luke as a great duelist is get close... That way Luke won't have the time to do a force attack and you can kill him. And you are not going to tell me that luke will start using force attacks at everybody that attacks him immediately. If Luke see's an opening he can win but as soon as Tulak gets near Luke is just screwed... Maybe he is more powerful in the force but when Luke would want to do a Force attack Tulak would slice him.
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May 12th, 2005 07:44 PM |
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Kun-ni Habeo
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luke pwns tulak,he is anakin badass v.2
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May 12th, 2005 07:50 PM |
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Naga Sadow
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dude, all ur posts are like this: "**** pwns ***."
give us some reasons, back up ur oppinion, otherwise, its a waist of every1s time.
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May 12th, 2005 08:00 PM |
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Kun-ni Habeo
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there isn't actually much for me to say here Luke is great Jedi and NJO Luke is pure bada$$ an marka is some frickin guy with ****1n horns,,,and u think he wuld smite luke oh c'mon luke wuld PWN ragnos
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May 12th, 2005 08:19 PM |
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Naga Sadow
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exactly, all u say is bullshit. u cant give any good reasons cuz there are none. u just take the guy u think is cooler and vote for him. then u say *** is pure badass he would win, other guy sux.
well, just to mention, ragnos was the most powerfull sith lord ever...proven fact, by previous posts. now if u cant read, thats not my problem
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May 12th, 2005 08:23 PM |
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Kun-ni Habeo
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???????????????
i didn't know u had enough knowledge to declare some1 most powerfull,,and since this began with movies it is logical that Anakin(rots)is most powerfull Force user
even GL said that so shut the fu ck up!
(and since luke is his son and ani died luke is the best)
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May 12th, 2005 08:30 PM |
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Emperor Revan
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: The Star Forge
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I would like to hear where everyone gets all these "Tulak is the best" theorys, the only thing I've ever heard about him is that he was a great duelist in a time of great duelists by kreia. It wouldn't be at all surprising if she just said that to try and get you to train more, that's probably not the case but there's still little proof I have seen of his "greatness."
So if anyone can tell me some of his accomplishments and where they got that knowledge from it would be great. I mean, no one here even knows what he looks like, how he fought, if he ever used Force powers or anything like that.
Oh and Naga just said here that its a fact that Marka is the strongest Sith ever. ha ha ha, my ass. Prove it.
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May 12th, 2005 09:02 PM |
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Janus Marius
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Kun, you are talking BS.... GL said Anakin had the potential to be the greatest Force user of all time, or perhaps of his time, whichever the wording.... he has yet to say Anakin OR Luke is so badass with the Force itself that they will manifest the power and/or ability to beat any EU character ever created, any movie character, and any of the two that are to be made in the future.
I mean, come on... what if GL takes a shine to Sith A and makes him better than Anakin? Does that still make Anakin god? No...
Revan33, GL tells you that Anakin might possibly be born of the Force and that he has enough Force potential to fuel a solar system, etc. etc. And you believe him without a doubt. We hear from a credible (If non-GL source) in EU, that Tulak Hord was beyond amazing, and you doubt it?
And since when do we have to even know what he looks like? Does hsi credibility hinge on his looks? Does anyone here know what Darth Plagiues looks like? As for how he fought, that would be excellent to know, I can see your point there. But he wasn't ever beaten in a time when the average duellist could put Yoda or Anakin on the floor. If he didn't use Force powers he'd be dead and fast. You don't be a non-Force using entity and survive countless duels.
Marka is, with all we know of all the Sith lords, the strongest ever. Why? Think of who he was... A half-breed (Already something that would hold him back) who overcame his heritage, dominated a planet of Sith for a century, and even while on his deathbed, was not challenged by Naga Sadow, who could CHUCK STARS, for the love of god. If you need more than that, I could try and find someminiscule data to salve your problems... but ah.... nevermind. Not gonna repeat what's been echoed in a thousand threads.
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May 13th, 2005 02:05 AM |
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Janus Marius
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And my last point is... GL has yet to refute the idea set forth in EU by Bioware and Obsidian that, as Kreia said and others, the ancient Sith lords and Jedi were amazing duellists that make others seem like children playing with toys. Until he refutes this idea directly, it is part of EU and thus a valid point in these versus threads.
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May 13th, 2005 02:08 AM |
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Emperor Revan
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My point was he can't PROVE that Marka is the strongest Sith ever, it's not a fact like he said.
Back on subject, you guys give way too much credit to one statement. A Jedi master who thinks Sion can't be defeated says that some Sith who lived 1,000 years before she did was a great duelist in a time of great duelists. So how did he fight? What weapon did he use? Did he ever use Force Powers? Who all did he fight? How strong were they?
If Kreia had said he wasn't a great Sith Lord instead in that dialogue and every other thing about Tulak was left normal (nothing really) he would have been a pansy assed weakling who would lose to his mom on here. Oh and its not like Kreia never lied, and just because people say things doesn't necessarily make them 100% valid. Yoda says once you start on the dark path, it will forever dominate your destiny but that's sure wrong.
Now let's say it was all true and she somehow knew all about a Sith from 1,000 years prior. She said the ancient Sith lords and Jedi were amazing duellists that make others seem like children playing with toys or something like that. How strong was the Exile at that time? Depends on which planet you go to first so let's say he/she even went to Korriban last and heard that. Now assuming again that Kreia didn't say that just to try and get you to train more, she was comparing them to the Exile who killed Jedi Masters easily. The Exile got far stronger after that (just look at how easily Kreia defeats him/her and then it gets turned around at the end) so his power rose immensely. Now the Exile was not the strongest being ever, Darth Revan, NJO Luke, and Yoda are generally and easily considered much stronger. So they would be pretty good against these "amazing duelists" that one person called them.
One statement is just not enough to carry an argument usually.
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Janus Marius
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You are looking at it from a certain point of view. You believe that Kreia's intent was to lie and persuade the Exile to become stronger. But the strength of the Exile isn't a factor- the planet can be visited and the statement enacted at any given time. If it was in relevance to the Exile's own strength, it would not be so. Also, Kreia says "We are like children playing with lightsabers compared to the masters of old." She is refering to hers and the Exile's era.
Now, did Kreia lie? Yes. Was Kreia in a position to know more about Tulak Hord than anyone else in EU? Yes. Was Kreia a historian who spent time on Malachor V pouring over the archives, a place where Sith lords often went to centre themselves? Yes. Is it possible, even highly probable that extensive or even basic knowledge of Tulak Hord was available at Malachor V, as it was on Korriban itself? Yes. Does Kreia have a clear motive to embellish the prowess of an ancient Sith Lord? No. Why?
Kreia is not one to hide her prejudices. She does not hide her digust when she talks of Form III, she does not spare the whip when it comes to underlings, and she does not mince words when you commit acts of true good or evil. Also, in her scheming, Kreia's ambitions are subtle machinations that would make such a lie quite simply beneath her. She needs no motivation with the memory of an ancient Sith lord to spur the Exile further into his potential greatnest. He knows he will fight three Sith Lords before he is done. Possibly even three Jedi masters on top of that. What kind of motivation would he need? "Hey, Babe Ruth has a better home run record than anyone playing ball today." And this fictional statement being said to a ballplayer who must get a three million dollar contract or have his mother die of sickness. Unneccesary fiction, and thus I believe that it was not Kreia's intent to mislead but to educate. And I take her word as truth.... for now.
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May 13th, 2005 02:59 PM |
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Fishy
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Fact does remain however that Tulak Hord is only heard about in Kotor Games, i trust Kreia on this. But it would be really great for another source on Tulak, something more. Something I will think will probably come in Kotor III
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May 13th, 2005 03:06 PM |
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SnakeEyes
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Registered: Jul 2004
Location: AMERICA
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I am pretty convinced that I still do not know who would win...
I mean, Tulak sounds like the better duelist, but from what I have read in NJO, Luke seems to be more powerful (Force-wise)
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May 13th, 2005 09:59 PM |
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Naga Sadow
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: Hell
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http://thunder.prohosting.com/~spiff/Lords.html
go here and read about Ragnos Kun-ni. And dont misinterprete it wrong, just as u do in all my posts, and almost all other posts.
there will also be some info on Tulak there, but its pretty much same as Kreia said about him...
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May 14th, 2005 06:58 AM |
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Kun-ni Habeo
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i know that site found it months ago still it doesnt changes my opinion
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May 14th, 2005 07:21 AM |
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Janus Marius
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Maybe a functioning logical brain would.
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