I always got the impression Dr. M was more powerful, but the Surfer is more skilled using his powers. So, the Surfer would get the best of any fight until Dr. M caught up in skill. Ie, I would imagine that Dr. M would keep coming back until the Surfer could no longer dispatch him.
Just a guess.
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My thought too. Surfer wouldn't be able to kill him, and he'd keep reforming until he learned to cope with Surfer, since he's never faced such a challenge.
No need for insults. Not reading a story arc isn't license to call a person names. See that it doesn't continue.
Dr. Manhattan.
He seemed to be able to do anything he wanted.Anytyhing...
Surfer although he is one of the most powerful Marvel cosmic characters (normal type-not Galactus level and stuff) cannot claim that.
Except for the fact that essentially Surfer has DM's powerset to begin with, has much better feats using that powerset as well.
There is nothing DM did that Surfer has not done himself or on a grander better scale.
Also the only reason DM wasn't beaten in the Watchmen was because he was a nonphysical body character that can pull himself back together. It had nothing to do with him being immortal. He never had to deal with telepathy, nor did he have to deal with other types of assault on his character besides physical.
Surfer can and has attacked these other aspects of beings before.
Then again he exists in Universe where there are people as pwoerful or stronger than him.
The only other characters for DM to compare with were normal humans of course he will seem like he can do anything. Sersi, Magneto, and Storm would all appear like they could do anything in the same scenario.
Except Sersi Magneto and Storm doesn't have his powerset and cannot do his feats like creating copies of himself,creating a whole building from sand,growing in size or being dispersed atomically and being able to survive.
I agree that SS has many abilities but some of these feats seem to much even for the Surfer.
Magento can create whole buildings from metal. Storm I will give you that one.
As to making copies of himself and being dispersed. There are a number of low level characters that have done those things. So it isn't like DM is pulling god-like abilities when he does them.
I honestly didn't know that.
Scans would be appreciated but anyway in that case yeah SS might take it.
Though to be honest I don't believe that if he was atomically dispersed he would survive.
But at least these feats put him on Dr's level and it's a fight.
Yeah but the thing is that Dr can do all those things not some of them.
Plus as for the building thing he didn't just create the building he changed the atoms from sand to different materials if I recall correctly.
But another poster said that the SS has done some of these feats (except the atomic dispersion stuff) so yeah I believe that it would be more of a fight now.
I know that SS has more feats (Watchmen was only 12 issues) but you are wrong on the other thing.
DM was implied to reaching godhood or something like that at some point in the series.
I think it was stated he had no limits.
Sersi could change the sand into glass ie cause she is a matter transmuter herself.
And I wasn't doing it to showcase they had all his powers. I was doing it to showcase they each have demonstrated his shown power level.
It doesn't matter if you have every power in the book if you have it at such low levels then you are not one someone else's power level.
No I'm not.
Re-read the book. Along with the same populace that glorified him as limitless also stated he had very limited abilities to do what they needed.
It was mentioned in the book that had a nuclear war actually started it was either, he would only be able to obliterate 80% of Russia or stop 80% of their nuclear arsenal. Either way the final outcome was still that America got wiped out even with DM's power.
Now let's compare that little tidbit with something that SS recently did.
Galactus was devouring a planet. The people of that planet were trying as hard as they could to get their ENTIRE population off of that planet. Nova Richard Rider was even helping them. Then the sad realization came that they would need hours to do it and they had something like under an hour left.
So Nova went and tried to plead with SS to get Galactus to hold of destroying the planet for just a few hours.
You know what SS did instead. He literally re-calibrated all of the planet's ships all scattered across different parts of the planet so that they could get out of the planet. He did all of that in the span it took him to blink.
That is the difference in power levels right there clearly defined. Surfer is a planet mover. He can destroy and effect entire planets and everything on them. In the blink of an eye without straining.
Even at his implied power level DM can not even stop a country of destroying another one.
I don't have the books with me so I can't read them now.
But as I remember this was a hypothesis made from some others concerning DM's powers and not actual fact.
But the feat you mentioned from SS is very impressive.
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