"Oh, I'm sure you will" while Strange is drawn rolling his eyes.
Strange=Sorcerer Supreme of all the Universe. Loki=not even top 5 in Asgard.
Loki gave others powers with tons of prep and help from potions.
Strange gave powers with a single spell.
The big one is The EOA would kill loki in a single blast. No one who does evil can survive it's blast.
What are you talking about? Strange was most definitely a sorcerer. Hell, we're introduced to him as the master of black magic. Stalemate is a bit of an exaggeration. He blocked a single psychic bolt from Loki and it exhausted him noticeably. Although it should be noted that he was weakened by a battle from Mordu a day or two ago.
Haha, what are you talking about?
Loki stole nothing. Strange and Loki fought, and it was made abundantly clear that Loki was beyond him. To make matters worse, that was an Astral sliver of his or whatever, which had only a fraction of his power (Possibly hyperbole, but whatever). The only reason Loki didn't end him is because Thor was coming and he fled.
It should be noted though, that this was only a year or two after Strange had been introduced. He wasn't a master of the mystic arts for very long. He hadn't completely mastered the art of Levitation for example.
The question is whether or not Strange became powerful enough to offset the enormous power gap, since Loki was dominating him at only a fraction of his power. I think he probably did.
Loki's more innately powerful but Strange can call on higher powers. Either way, this would be a battle I'd pay to see.
Modern day Strange gets stomped though. Frankly, from what I've seen, Strange from the last 6 or so years gets stomped. Maybe even longer, but I didn't read the Order so I can't be sure.
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What? Nah. Strange is a resourceful dude, his defeated much more powerful beings by being a cunning bastard but let's not get crazy with him.
If he faced someone like say Odin, he'd need real prep or he gets shut down pretty hard the large majority of the time.
IIRC, a sword Odin enchanted -or perhaps the World Tree, not 100% sure- stripped Strange of his magical powers and he admitted it was a magic greater than his own. I know for a fact that it was only when the sword was freed by Thor, that the Sorcerer Supreme's powers started coming back.
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Strange only became Sorceror Supreme when the Ancient One died at that point hes basically still just Ancient One's disciple. try again
With Black Magic Strange has taken the power from someone with no limit to his power. He needs prep to take Odin's power now?
But no lets downplay Dr Strange and his supporting characters and invalidate all his wins over abstracts because..........oh no that makes him too powerful
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lol
so, who ARE all these abstracts strange has taken down without any outside help? and do we simply discount all the times he has been beaten by any non-abstract?
Abstracts? He defeated Death once but that isn't really applicable here as he didn't beat Death in a physical or power confrontation. That's about it from what I've seen.
His greatest feats I'd wager were illustrating to the Tribunal he was more powerful than believed in a brief encounter, stealing Shuma's power, and the Infinity Gauntlet scene. The Shuma Gorath thing was one of those cunning showings IIRC, and he matched a single Gem for a brief time with a noticeable amount of prep. I believe the Tribunal was noticeably weaker back then; that might have been his first appearance.
He bound Mephisto once, and had two nice showings against Galactus. However, Galactus was portrayed much more powerful than Strange IIRC and Mephisto more often than not has been as well to a lesser degree.
On the other side of the spectrum, we have plenty of mundane showings to chose from. Heck, Bendis alone has supplied us with enough shitty showings to match every high end showing.
F*cking Bendis.
Strange is powerful, but let's not get stupid here.
Edit: It was once said Strange had the power to shake the Universe or some such, but that was probably hyperbole. Didn't he also do well against the In Betweener? I don't know, it's been too long.
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Wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme title back then mostly just that, a title? I'm not 100% as it's been a while (It's probably been 6 years since I read through the Strange collection) and the mess Bendis has created certainly hasn't cleared anything up.
Strange has definitely gotten more powerful since his fight with Loki, acquiring more knowledge, and in turn more power, so he'd fare better, probably better than any other Top Tier, but would still go down.
The way you keep saying stupid things like this to downplay Strange just makes me take you less seriously all the time. You do know why the forces of the universe lend their power to Strange right? And for the record Strange didn't summon Order and Chaos during his fight(he can't do that anyway) with the In betweener he was using their powers.
That was his first series Strange Tales when he first encountered Loki who tricked him into stealing Mjolnir. At that point and time the Ancient One was still the Sorcerer Supreme and Strange was still a disciple. He wasn't a master of black magic either that was just what they called his series at the time.
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I know Strange wasn't as powerful as he was during his peak....which is why I said the fight would go differently. I don't think a fraction of Loki's power is enough to beat Strange anymore.
I'm just asking if the title of the Sorcerer Supreme was just a title back then.
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well we're ALMOST even, then. personally i've NEVER taken anything YOU'VE said seriously.
wait, cuz he's more powerful than all of them?? he's used eternity's powers as well. strange clearly>>>>>>eternity. well reasoned.
he used it AFTER his own power wasn't enough. not that i get why you brought it up...... he's been shown to need prep to deal with dracula. enchantress and skurge nearly killed him. mephisto DWARFED him and doom combined in power. he was never shown to be above LOKI. i could go back and find a LOT more instances if you need more. but you'll likely call all those times pis--it's a common stance to take when one can no longer back up claims.....
so, AGAIN--who are all these abstracts he's defeated? you said it, so, you gonna name them and the context or are you gonna just keep yammering about someone i really believe you know nothing about other than what you've read in the forum? because "FOR THE RECORD" you're the one who claimed strange>skyfather but have as yet done nothing to support that ludicrous claim. i await your proof eagerly.
What? Of course it's not just a title. How could you possibly comment on a character you obviously know lack about. Strange was herald level as master mystic arts, but when he became SS, he became 100x more powerful because he was givin all of the ancient one's power, who was easily odin level, on top of his own. All the times he fought loki he was less than half a percent powerwise than he was after being SS. That. why Strange would slaughter loki.
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