So how often does the Flash start off exactly at that speed? He doesn't just go from standing stock still, to the speed of light.
It depends what they get to utilize during their prep time. Can they prolong their prep? Can Doom use his time machine and make his prep time indefinate, or can he use the reality-chessboard thing from Fantastic Four:1234?
JLA will work much much better as a team, and with Batman as brains, and MM telepathically linking what Bats is thinking and the rest of the team as brawn, the JLA are a sick team to mess with. I think teamwork if not power will win them this duel. I also think think evilcap had it right if you did try to match it up power for power.
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Flash can exist on two super-teams at the same time, standing still at both locations the teams are at, in different parts of the world. And change costume's in between. Without even appearing as if he'd left either location to the rest of either team. Flash is nasty.
Good point, and Flash is a scientist as well. Also, he could share that speed with the rest of the league... up to and including Batman, who is 1 billion and 0 in battles with even a half hour to prep, what's Doom's record, have his plans ever been foiled?
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given the fact that nef, graviton and ultron have SINGLE-HANDEDLY given the avengers all they could handle, doom has single-handedly defeated the ff and mags has single-handedly given the xmen all they could deal with, this is a VERY tough fight for the jla.
even given the 2 hrs, the villains would never be able to fight as a team. that is the jla's only chance. they would have to work together to take out a couple of the villains. mm and am could together take out modok without much trouble. without modok, mm should be able to mentally take out graviton. with modok and grav down, the numbers are with the jla. still, even then it's not gonna be easy.
without some time for the jla to plan, i think the villains are just too. powerful
jla is team team of bad writing. Especially Bats and Flash. I see them winning more from bad writing then good story. DC has "smallman syndrome" with its heroes. Lets make them overpowered to compensate for something. Doom properly written has impressed Thanos, Galactus, and Watcher whos tech is light years ahead of reed and bats.
And Batman has impressed Darkseid and Metron, and both companies have their share of bad writing. Typically it's the same bad writers over and over plaguing them both... but keeping us interested as readers none-the-less.
Come on people. A younger, less crafty Doom took the Beyonder's powers. Beyonder was>>>>>>>>>>>>>than the DC and Marvel teams combined with Darkseid(Superman's b**ch)and Metron. Doom's a human whose brains put him on par with gods. Dude's taken the planet over before. Batman's cool and a genius, but compared to Doom he's a moron. Hate it or love it.
Not neccessarily. But REALLY there's so many options availiable to the JLA. And with the JLA prepping indeed for extremely long periods their victory is rest assured.
Sure Doom is impressive when it comes to prep. But with nearly a half dozen master tacticians (Batman isn't the only demon when it comes to prep), limitless resources and so many powerhouses, they win rather easily.
This is DR. Doom w/prep and a bunch of team busters @ his disposal. I honestly think it's better to use the prep-time originally given, but Doom would have no problem using time machines, magic and all that stuff if he wanted to extend his prep(he wouldn't need to). Did just these 7 beat "God" or did they have help?
The JLA has a half dozen master tactians with several having several millenia of warfare experience.
Doom has time-machines? So what? The JLA have more time-machines than P. Diddy. has bling.
Magic? No problema. With access to massive magical resouveirs from Atlantis (God Magic) or Themyscira (Even more God Magic) or Asgard (Even MORE God-Magic) they have it spades.
Seriously the JLA with so many resources, Earthly, alien, extra-dimensional, future, etc. Doom's tech pales in comparision.
Mother Boxes, Genesis Boxes, 85,741 AD tech.
They beat "God" on their own. They did do some research though. Which is also called prep.
Now, I didn't approach it as Doom vs Batman in a fight, Superman vs ____, etc.
I think you would get a different type of match up. I think, for instance, Batman would fight Magneto. BUT, he wouldn't fight him. He would talk to him. Magneto is the type of villain that CAN be talked to, and can change his mind about things. Batman has the uncanny psychological approach where he can successfully just talk to people and do amazing things. Think about what would happen if Batman has that prep-time, can come up with some research, and help them, like GL or something, make something to mess up Doom or whomever. I don't know who some of the characters are, like Ultron or whatever, but think about this situation:
Batman talks to Lenscherr, they discuss mutant abilities. Batman sympathizes and says that even though he isn't a mutant, he's still feared by society as a threat. Erik is converted and helps DC. Now how about that? If this Graviton guy can kill Flash, Flash moves out of the way and goes immediately to Mandarin and knocks him out cold. Now what?
I say, written well enough, DC wins. In a pure, idiotic battle royal, Marvel wins.
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did this become the jla vs dr doom? because you make it seem like he's the only one that can do anything. That being said i'd give it to the league with probably supes, ww and mm left standing if the bad guys go all out and they'll have to. Doom's feats are impressive except for the FF just about anyone on the jla can take them singlehanded. Also this prep time do they get to learn about the opposite team? if they do it's gonna be a fight to the death cause to stop a lot of the muscle or psychos on the field you'll probably have to kill them. Jla does get the edge gl is like mags but, with more power and if they do learn about the other team i'm sure someone will tell him how to use it best.
I have no doubt that JLA has many time machines. The number of them is unimportant though because you only need one. Doom's not the only dangerous one on this team(It's chock full of team busters except for maybe MODOK), but I do think he's the most dangerous because of the power stealing. The most usefully powerful member(J'onnz IMO) of the hero team is gonna be the first to go down and then it's all downhill for 'em. Being linked to MM will be their downfall. The heroic telepaths will find that every villain is wearing some kind of telepathy blocking device. The heroes team does have many good tacticians, but the most dangerous one is definately Batman. He will not out-prep DOOM. This will be a key factor. Doom is also a far better inventor than Batman.Nefaria's gonna be a problem, he takes shots from Thor's hammer with no problem. He's likely to beat the mess out of Aquaman very qiuckly. Ultron will make Wonder Woman his b**ch. Graviton makes Flash's lungs collapse from the start while causing more trouble for the heroes by either grounding them(many are powerful enough to resist, but it will hinder their offense a bit) or making them float off somewhere. Magneto and GL will go @ it for a while, but once the evil telepaths (Doom and MODOK ) start f**king w/his brain it's over for him. Mandarin will be there mainly to provide assistance and distraction. I'd like to see this JLA vs "God" stuff though. I'm thinking this "god" was probably less powerful than the Beyonder was.
And the JLA have much more experience utilizing it.
Yeah. Good Luck stealing the JLA's powers when they have Genesis/DC 1million/magic/ preventing that from happening.
And Doom being the "most dangerous" won't go down first? Please. You underestimate their intelligence.
MM will simply keep himself telepathically and literally invisible via his powers and tech.
The heroic telepaths will laugh at their telepathy blocking devices as the Genesis Box reduces the devices to mere toys.
DOOM will be utterly owned in prep. Why? Two words: Strategy Engine. A god-machine that creates a trillion different scenarios PER SECOND and finds the best way to counter any and all strategems conceived by Doom. This machine was made and used by beings with IQs that make Doom seem retarded.
Yes it will. A factor in the villain's downfall.
He is. Too bad Batman doesn't NEED to be. He has access to OUTRAGEOUS tech that would boggle Doom's mind.
That's nice. Let's see him stand up to Solaris tech.
And of course, the JLA being idiots will pit someone as powerful as Nefaria against Aquaman right? Riiiight.
GL absorbs his ionic energy. The Genesis Box turns him into a rabbit. Or Batman steals his soul via 1million tech.
Not when she wields the Godwave (think Phoenix Force) into reducing Ultron into scrap.
But alas, Graviton is powerless when the JLA borrows the Reality Keyboard from the Ultramarines into making him having the power to make water bubbles
Oh please. Ever heard of Hector Hammond. He once mindcontrolled 1/3 of the Universe with a thought. And GL was immune to his powers.
And the JLA's tech will block any and all efforts to do so.
Fat load that does. He gets taken down faster than Paris Hilton's decaying brain cells.
Um. NO. He had flippin PLANETS as chromosomes. He had GALAXIES as DNA. Please.
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