(just to let yall know im referring to Batman Begins batman)^that doesnt apply if u have a 300grand survival suit that can deflect bullets at certain distances, or a kevlar-reinforced graphite metal bulletproof cowl..and about the whole martial arts thing about mastering 127 different forms, thats comic batman which isnt believable just like a regular comic should be, i mean its all fiction and entertainment...but really, in the movie in BB, i read somewhere that Bruce mastered about a dozen diff martial arts forms...now that IS possible, even though that would be very hard,and u would have to be very smart with a good memory to remmeber all that, which Batman does, but i forgot about blades' healing factor, so yea, I guess id say he takes it..but, one other thing, just because blade has a sword doesnt make him better, remember, batman ripped ra's al ghuls sword to shreds in BB with his gauntlets, and just because he relies on guns, that doesnt make him better...actually, if u think about it, it makes him worse
Okay Superman facing Bladed that's different because unless he was under a red sun Superman would win unless balde has krptonite and they fought ina n open area nd the reason Batman can outwit Superman is because of surperior technology and theyw ere ina maze of corridor ans rooms and the technology which he would not ahve if it weren't for his inheritance and Blade is way better then Punisher because except for being in the miltary he doesn't have much hand to hand fighting traing, and I mean all he uses are giuns almost nothing else wll okay explosives but thats about it. Hand to Hand combat Punisher would not stand a chance. And when ou say that Batman would be Blade schologically makes no sense because unlike Blade, Batmans parents were killed and he knew they were dead. But Blade thoguht his mom was dead, then turns out shes not only alive, but has become the thing he hates, and he ahs to kill her, that is tough on a guy. SYet it didn't give him that much of a problem he didn't dwell on it. So if a guy has to kill enemy who turns out to be his mom and alsmot does heistate, then it would be tough to psychologially take him down. And how do you know he 's a genisu you would'nt know by his gadgets as his employees make thoe,. the Batmobile wasn't designed by him he took a desgin his company was working on that he had not even done that much on. And unlike Blade, Batman dos not spend that much time training. He does some traing here an then but most of the time in between battles he socializing with elite, not kepping his awarness at full level. BUt Blade on the other hand, trains almost evryday, for long period sof time thereby honing his reflexes and his agility more. Oh, and Blade does'nt have to worry about an alyter ego and all the pschological problems that that brings as hown by The Batman himself on two different occasion sthis getting him with trouble with Hugo Strange.And yeah batman has a bullet proff costume but his mask doesnt cover his motuth and Blade is amzingly accuarte One shot there would cause him to bleed to death and Blades body is bulletproof well it will hurt him but it won't cause him any damage. And Bullet proof vests don't stop all the bullets and eventually the bullet proof vest will be weak enoguh to allow a bullet to pass through.Blade aslo last time I checked most of the villian he fought have superpowers. Batman's main villans don't. And how do you know he is a gensius and if he was why would he need a supercomputer to help him win fights. Again Check and Matwe.
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Wow you are so blind dude you treat Batman like he's a second class fighter sometimes it doesnt matter how strong the person is the bigger they are the harder they fall. And Batman trains everyday he doesn't socialize with the elite. And no Batman can keep Superman busy in a relatively open area. But then again Batman doesn't work that way he wouldnt ever put himself in an open area where he has nothing to work with. It may be hard to believe that Batman has mastered all martial arts but thats what it is everyone get over it and if you wana dull down Batman dull down Blade too.
It is so clear that you have no idea what you are talkin about when it comes to Batman and you are denying the pure facts of Batman as a far superior fighter and far superior in intelligence. And get me Wrong I'm not a Batman fanboy that think Batman is Invincible I hate People like that but he just over weighs Blades strength and endurance with superior fighting, intelligence, and a lil more experience.
And I'm done arguing with someone who abtusely denies all facts just becuz they're from different comic universes and you prefer Marvel
Okay you have me down way wrong okay dude. First I actually prefer DC comics over Marvel overal but I like Blade the best and other then Blade and Colosus all of my favoirte superhos are from DC I meanbatmactually there at Number seven. And yeah Iknow he has master 127 fighting skills. But hey do you actually see him using sumo in a fight. No( and on't you tell me its a not a martial art because ti is) so he is not really oging to find a rpactical use for a lot of 127 and yes i'll admit Blade is less knowgedable of githing techniques. Okay but let sya this.. They are githing inan open area with no cover. No weapons. no protective gear, just ther street clothes. Thee i nothing there to be sued to their advangte just anormal brawl betwen to guys. Blade ould ome outon top because at least 30 o those 127 requiere weapons so he could'nt use those. And by the way my number two hero is Flash and I mostly prefer DC because I think Spiderman and Daredevil are jokes. TheX-men except for Colosus are lame and the Avenger would get beaten by the JLA anyday of the week. It jus that Blad would beat Btaman in afight. And how botu deneying fcats. yOUC ALIMED ORGINIALLY THAT Batman was evr beaten by Azrael and at least 5 othenrpopel came in and said that he had actually been beaten by Azrael whose IQ by the way is way lower then Batman so just Becaus Batman is msarter then Blade( yes Im am dmiting that) doesn' not mean that Blade loses.
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And Braz I see oyur'e point abotu how guns and swords don't do that good. But Btman would ahve to try eally hard to some remebr and use ll 127 figthing styles in a single fight.
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he doesnt have to use all 127 different styles he created his own style from all of them and made it the perfect fighting style and whats the point of a face to face brawl thats not the way Batman fights. But if they were to have this improbable match Batman know preasure points that Blade cant even dream of and even his regenerative abilities wont save him from nerve damage (Batman used nerve pinching and pressure points on Superman and made his arm go numb) and believe me Blade is lost right there
One more thing Favoritism has nothing to do with who is actually better cuz I like Nightwing better but he couldnt be Batman, I like The Hulk better than Silver Surfer but unfortunately the silver lame-wad would beat him (I hate Silver Surfer almost as much as I hate Capt America, but dont me started on the living piece of Propaganda loser) Sometimes you have to swallow your pride
yea, but like i said, i personally go by movie batman(Batman Begins) and i know thats not right in a comic versus forum, but i just do because its more believable and realistic...cuz i read in a magazine somewhere that bruce mastered about 12 martial arts forms in BB..and that, IMO is possible...i mean, hell i could do it if i put my mind to it
With all respect, do you honestly believe that a regular human can master all martial arts?
"yea, but like i said, i personally go by movie batman(Batman Begins) and i know thats not right in a comic versus forum, but i just do because its more believable and realistic...cuz i read in a magazine somewhere that bruce mastered about 12 martial arts forms in BB..and that, IMO is possible...i mean, hell i could do it if i put my mind to it"
We're not talkin about the movie, the movie is the movie just get over it Blade won't beat Batman and if I'm not supposed to believe that some one could master all martial arts then why should i believe that Blade is half vampire and it makes him so invincible, oh by the way if you wanna be jerks about this whole thing I don't know if anyone of you remember Blade was not created with enhanced strength and stuff they added that much much later when the movie came out so if we're gonna go with a lame version of Batman lets go with the lame version of Blade too and Batman still kicks his ass PERIOD
Okay first off I'll admit that it is possible to master alot of martial arts forms just not all of them oh and there is differnece with the beliveiabilty. Show me where not nesccerailiy in one fight but sho wme incidents where Batman has used tall of the ifferent styles to show that he knows all of them but in the very firt issue of Blad eit mentions that Blade is aprt vampire anit shows that by his body protection from bullets. The differnce bewteen your claim and my claim is that the comics actually show the proof in action. And about the pride swallowing I'll admit there are plenty of guys who can beat Blade. Colossus and maybe Lantern just to name a few. And Indo agree with you that Captain America, while a good fighter, is a piece of propagana bullcrap.
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My claims are there in the comics you just havent seen them I'm not just making this stuff up this is right from DC Batman's abilities no he didn't master all of them but he is very proficient in all of them and was able to create his own style (like Bruce Lee only better) I've seen him use pessure points that will effect anyone even Superman and it has been shown in comics
Yeah, originally Blade did not possess enhanced strength, agility, etc. He was basically a highly skilled human. However when the film came out they changed the comic version to be the same as the films. So now Blade in the comics is the same as the movie version (i.e. a Daywalker). And the rules state that the current version is the one in use unless specified otherwise.
"if I'm not supposed to believe that some one could master all martial arts then why should i believe that Blade is half vampire and it makes him so invincible"
Blade has superhuman abilities because he is half vampire. Batman is not a superhuman so he does not have superhuman abilities.
For example, would you believe it if Batman could fly? No, because humans can't fly. Superman can fly because he's an extra-terrestrial with super powers.
The whole point of Batman's character is that he doesn't have super powers. If you have him doing things that are impossible for a human (like mastering all martial arts), that defeats the point of Batman completely.
Well is that is your take on batman. What is your take on lady shiva who is human has mastered all forms of martial arts and a variety of ancient martial arts as well. Or Richard Dragon human as well and a master martial artist of all unarm combat.
I rather like Richard Dragon, but I still think the 'mastered all forms of martial arts' is unrealistic. If it were up to me I'd say that he, Shiva and the like have mastered MANY forms of martial arts, not all. I'd say that's impressive enough.
With Richard Dragon, I'm a little more accepting since he's a hermit. He doesn't have to maintain a secret identity or anything so he has more time to practise. Plus, although he's good at other things besides martial arts, he isn't described as a master of every skill and talent on earth, the way Batman seemingly is.
Obviously both Batman and Blade train hard, but only Batman has a secret identity he has to maintain.
"he doesn't socialize with the elite." Yes he does on occasion. He has to, to keep people from getting suspicius. So Blade may have a slight edge, skill-wise.
If mastering all Martial Arts is IMPOSSIBLE what makes it possible that Blade has Super Strength and no it isnt impossible to learn all martial arts so if you want Blade to have Super strength then I'm sorry but Batman is a Master of Nearly all Martial Arts PERIOD
There is a differnce Blade havig strength is mentioned in his powers and he shows in the movies and in the comics, while Batman has amybe showed master of maybe 30 arts forms not 120.And the reason it is impossible is because there is no way that a man unless he is ike the thinker or like Brainiac and has unlimited Braic apacit and in this cas e Btaman is probably alittle bit below a genisus he is not going to be able to remebr how to do each different sytle and apply duringa battle in whcih you have to make split sceond decions so while I'll admit it is notimpossible to master them all it is impossible for a guy to rember how to use them all in a split second decison battle.
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Actually Batman is at least at Genius level and even if he's only a master of 12 Martial Art forms but he has studied 120 different types (not mastered) it's a whole level and a half above Blade Fighting Experience
And even IF both of them have been studying fighting for an equal amount of time Blade has been learning forms that Batman has. For example if someone who has been trained in the average martial arts form of karate for 20 years in the USA and he faces someone is has been training in Jeet kun do in china by a true master for the same amount of time believe me the guy from USA is way out of his league and believe me Batman has faught stronger oppenents with the same fighting experience and have won
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