Yeah I really really wanted to be the first one... you don't get a thread like this every day
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
But, this is maybe hard to believe, but Wolverine8888 was actually a pretty good debater. He doesn't deserve his very very bad reputation, there are much worse debaters.
Or, let's put it this way, he defended Wolverine pretty good at times (minus the exaggerations from time to time).
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
As for the lasers, deflecting them has more to do with timing rather than moving at light speed and it has never been stated that blasters in the Starwars universe move anywhere close to lightspeed (if they did you couldn't track them across the damn movie screen). The light saber might cut Superman but before Vader can even think about using it, Superman will have shoved it up his ass. Superman has been against top level telepaths and telekentics (ones a lot more powerful than Vader) and has done fine.
Lasty, the only advantage seeing the future is that it will allow him to see his own death.
We are able to track Superman across the screen in his movies, but does anyone disagree with him being able to move 99% the speed of light? The lazers being shown are just the directors choice, but by definition, they move at the speed of light. The only telepaths I've seen supes beat came off as petty crooks, or "Saturday morning cartoon take over the world" wannabes. Nothing as efficient as actually being able to rule the whole galaxy with an iron fist. Besides, Supes is rarely even able to beat those kinds of people. If it were not for Batman, the martian manhunter, or Dr. Fate, Supes would have been doomed long ago. If Superman uses his speed so efficiantly, why did he lose to Batman in DKR?
Dude, EVERY hero in Marvel and DC dodges lasers. So does this make them faster than the speed of light ?
Dodging and deflecting. Big difference. Dodging is the result of poor aim, while deflecting is the result of skill.
Speculation. You got any proof ?
Sure do. The blast doors within the starwars universe are within the range of 1000 gigatons or megatons. Lightsabers easily melt through those, even 3 meters thick. Kal el's skin is only a few millimeters thick. Sliced into pieces, the farm boy is.
The Force has nothing in common with magic. Again, speculation. And it's a HUGE misconception that Superman is weak to magic. He isn't. He just hasn't any special protection for it. There's a difference.
No, I did my homework.
Main Entry: 1mag·ic
Pronunciation: 'ma-jik
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English magique, from Middle French, from Latin magice, from Greek magike, feminine of magikos Magian, magical, from magos magus, sorcerer, of Iranian origin; akin to Old Persian maguš sorcerer
1 a : the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces b : magic rites or incantations
2 a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source b : something that seems to cast a spell
Oh wait, the force does have supernatural power over natural forces, and it is an extraordinary power from a supernatural source.
One more thing to add in on this point. During Superman the animated series, we saw the villain known as live-wire nearly kill the blue boy, with high amounts of voltage. Now I wonder what would happen, if say, some force divined voltage were to be inflicted on Supes.
Now Vader is a jedi ? And can see in the future ? Too bad all those dead Jedis in ROTS didn't see it coming...
Considering that they were being ruled by a sith lord in disguise, there thinking was clouded, however, they were right about Anakin being the chosen one, as he did save luke(who restored peace to the universe by creating a jedi academny), and kill the emperor.
Read it again, what you just wrote. Sounds stupid, doesn't it ?
Hey, be nice. It's only a forum. Now need to make thoust soundeth foolish, just in difference of opinion. Actually, I'm surprised hardly anyone agrees, considering the people Supes has actually lost to. Heck, I recall seeing him get his tail handed to him by faust on more than one occassion.
Jedi see into the future about five minutes ahead at best. The only other pre-cog shown is hazy at best.
And the only reason batman resisted and not supes was because of bat's jobber aura
The Emperor had forseen Luke coming to Endor in ROTJ, long before he arrived on that world, so that disproves your 'speculation' about jedi seeing into the future five minutes ahead at best. And Batman is still classified as a human, so just how does he outdo Supes?
That has nothing to with moving at the speed of light , it's pre-cog.
You do realize that pre-cog would only be even worse for Supes? Keep in mind, Superman can only move at speeds 99% the speed of light. Lazers actually move at the speed of light, and jedi have proven themselves to be able to deflect those on all sides. So what difference would it make it trying to outmaneuver Vader, when he can just predict all of his moves?
That was only created for a game and was a half assed attempt at explaining why no one ran in the battle of endor.
Yet how would the imperials be able to keep the rebellion in check for so many years? There were so many traitors within the empire, and so many chances for it to fall. Battle meditation by the emperor himself. That had to be why he personally watched over the second death star. If not for his distraction between Luke and Vader, everyone would have been doomed. As for Battle meditation seeming out of canon, DC has already had it's third continuity sweep, so all is fair in this thread.
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__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Only pre-crisis Superman can do that, and I'm not referring to him in this thread, simply because I'd get less attention proving that Vader would beat him as well.
Anyway, as to that point, Vader could use force sight to see the seemingly invisible Superman, and could use a mind trick to have him do his bidding, even in his intangible form.
It's called a JOBBER AURA , that is how batman can outdo supes, and palpatine is far more powerful then vader .
'Superman can only move at speeds 99% the speed of light' , do you realise how dumb that sounds. Jedi only block a laser blast because they see the shot being fired at that position seconds earlier. No light speed movements just simple pre-cog.
Because the empire is an incredibly large sprawling military group . A few leaks here and their will do nothing. From your theory palpatine does nothing but battle meditate , it is only speculation that he used it at the battle of endor anyway, and dot start about what is and isn't allowed in this thread. I know how this section works thank-you very much.
Oh and the trump card. Since no incarnation of Supes was specified I can technically choose PC Supes. He'll sneeze Vader out of existance, along with the rest of the solar system.
How will Vader cut Supes if he can vibrate intangible?
Wouldn't have to. A mind trick would work quite perfectly.
Would the force work against and intangible supes?
Depends on which force power. Though I can think of ones that would seriously effect Supes, I highly doubt Vader knows of them.
Supes has withstood the force of a nuke while sitting in kryptonite laced sand.
Yet other times, he has been knocked out by krptonite gas. There are too many occassions when Superman has been knocked out by kryptonite, so him being able to withstand it once doesn't matter. And like I said above: In DKR, Superman nearly died from the mere concussion of a nuke.
Supes has shrugged of a laser that can cut thru adamantium. So I think he can shrugg of a light saber too.
Adamantium? Is that even in the DC universe? Lightsabers are able to cut through Cortosis, which is apparently the strongest metal in the starwars universe.
Whoes definition says that the blasters in Starwars shoot energy that travels as the speed of light? We don't know how fast they go and you are assuming it at the speed of light (again not possible because you couldn't see anything moving at that speed. You can't even see a bullet in flight)
Superman can resist telepathic/mental manipulation or outright domination thanks to his Kryptonian knowledge of "Torquasm Vo" (a mental training technique).
As for the force choke: "it's been established that if the effect of magic is used to simulate or enhance a naturally occurring force (such as the natural elements or concussive energy, for example), Superman's natural defenses reacts to them normally."
He took a freaking hit form thor's magic hammer and punches from Shazam. Even if the Force is magic (its not) it isn't strong enough to hurt Superman.
Besides Superman heat vision is hotter than a star, and I don't think old Vader is blocking that.
You can't show one speed feat of any jedi or seth that proves that they will last two seconds.
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Post crisis goes intangible and invisible. Since when? Oh well. One thing I do know is that Post Crisis only moves at 99% the speed of light(he rarely even chooses to use super speed). The lazers we see Jedi deflecting move at the speed of light, and happen to be numerous. So Vader would remain one step ahead of supes.
The whole faster than light thing?
Blasters aren't lasers. They're concertrated heat fired made from a type of gas. They don't move at the speed of light, and in fact, move slower than bullets.
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