We see what she's capable of at the edge of ten...she was an experienced DBL wielder...and under his tutelage, we know that she had to have grown much, much stronger
1.) He was #2 behind Revan so he's automatically as good as Dooku? And you talk about terrible arguments, lol. Prove any of those Jedi were on Dooku's level. Dooku is called by narration to be exactly "one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history", and is stated to be "an even greater Sith" (by narration, and Yoda's dialogue indicates this as well); albeit, it's true he's not "number 2" of the era, but he's what? Like the fifth best in an era where the Jedi Order is at its prime? Above the likes of Obi-Wan, Grievous, Sora, Maul, etc. A little more impressive, I'd say.
A lightsaber prodigy? How's that? And of course, merely being a "prodigy" doesn't mean your better than another prodigious being.
2.) Yes, why is the question. Okay, you put him in league with Dooku for...what reason exactly? Numero Dos behind Revan, and he's a "prodigy"? Great reasonings. Dooku is a prodigy, too - surprise, surprise.
Let's see, his displays of Force mastery suggests his power is tremendous (and what did Malak ever do with the Force that was impressive, btw? Choking a guard? Lol. Dooku choked out Komari Vosa.). There's the fact ROTS Obi-Wan isn't even a match for Dooku's Force power, he was owned at literally the flick of the wrist:
"He gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall."
Also note that he did this while fending off Anakin. He also did tool Asajj Ventress, who we know is pretty powerful. Not the strongest, but still. And he also - with one finger - brought Ventress down to her knees:
"Her face went pale. Dooku lifted that one finger, and this time he tapped it in the air, as if pushing a needle into a pincushion. Ventress crumpled to her knees. Her voice came out clotted with pain. Dooku made another little patting motion, and Ventress slammed to the tile floor. "
So, we have a flick of the wrist, a tap of the finger, patting motion. "Strong in the Force this one is", eh? From the AOTC novelization, when he puts Anakin out of commission for a time:
"Dooku's hand shot out toward the charging Jedi, sending forth a Force push as solid as any stone wall, and a burst of blue Force lightning. With a wave of his hand, Dooku sent Anakin flying across the room, to crash into a distant wall, where he slumped down, dazed.
He was able to completely revitalize himself using just the Force (ROTS novel), suggesting he doesn't need some dumbass Jedi captives to do it, lol. We know he's obviously a proficient Force lightning user by his displays in AOTC, and other various things. He was able to own Sora Bulq, and knock him out with Force lightning:
As seen in the background is Tholme, who himself is no weakling was battling with Dooku 2-on-1, and even so Dooku still beat Sora, and right after spared Tholme, only of course, after owning him with his saber as well:
Really though, Dooku has a vast amount of training, and experience over Malak. Roughly 80+ years of it. Since we know he was trained as a youngling, he has about 70+ years experience as a Jedi, and 13 years as a Sith Lord. Now, we know experience definitely isn't everything, however, to deny it gives an advantage is purely ridiculous. For example, throughout those years - he is stated to know "Every weakness of Ataru" (his duel against Yoda obviously didn't end in a victory, however, Yoda's pure skill is probably better than anything).
And within those years, has mastered Makashi - the lightsaber to lightsaber form - to it's highest degree. Admittedly, forms are necessity for victory, however, it's clue that Dooku's lightsaber skills are no joke. And one thing that matters not is Dooku's age:
"Physically, the Count's age was rarely a handicap. Deft as he had become with the Force-unimaginably more subtle than the boy who had watched water-skeeters in the Jedi gardens all those years ago-he wore his eighty-three standard years better than most humans half his age. He was still in superb physical shape, senses keen, health undiminished by even the memory of a cold."
So, just to put that out there because I've heard a lot of people say stuff like "Dude! Character X is so much younger!".
He has also bested Mace Windu in personal combat before, now Windu wasn't at his peak, however, he still beat him (it's kind of irrelevant to even bring up, but just to add to the fact. He's also described as "Dooku, consummate planner, consummate duelist." Consummate meaning perfect or to the highest degree. Clearly Dooku's skill with a lightsaber is amazing. Even Yoda comments on his skills:
"Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!"
Calling him the strongest student, and one that has learned the most. We also know Dooku is more powerful than Grievous, who has slain numerous Jedi Masters with ease (Council member as well), Asajj Ventress, and so on.
What's Malak got on his resume?
3.) Because I like, ever argued Zannah is better? Puh-leaze.
Don't address points to me that were never made by me, or even implied. I'm merely stating the comparison had absolutely no connection whatsoever, and was faulty. And why are you talking to me at all about Zannah > Malak or vice verse? Because on that matter [Rhett Butler] Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. [/Rhett Butler]
And just for professional kicks....
Quote Sources (so people don't question mah authoritah):
- Attack of the Clones novelization.
- Revenge of the Sith novelization.
- Yoda: Dark Rendezvous.
- Labyrinth of Evil.
- Star Wars Republic 72: Trackdown, Part 1.
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Lesse, she was, at...10 more powerful than an experienced Dark Lord like Githany or Kopecz. She killed a strong and experienced Jedi with no prior training at ten before THE most powerful Jedi of ten thousand Sith found and trained her, she was a saber expert and became a great, powerful and terrible Dark Jedi after Bane's death....
Prove she was more powerful than those 2? Because she did a force crush at 10? Hardly lightsnake. Prove she was a saber expert, prove she was powerful and terrible. You have no case.
Because Bane judged her as his apprentice instead of Githa and declared Githa weak while Zannah would become strong and Bane selected her instead of thousands of other Sith he could've chosen?
Prove she was powerful and terrible? Because that was her future forseen by her telepathic bouncer friend Laa?
Prove she was a saber expert? She was described as a master of the DBL in Galaxies when you get her saber from NK Necrosis and in General Grievous: Lord of War when it's mentioned he had her saber
Perhaps, but we have to put the situation into perspective. Luke didn't do jack shit with the force at ages 10-19 yet he ended up as probably THE strongest force user in Star Wars.
Again, the fact that Zannah could blow up Tomcat's hand in Jedi versus Sith speaks well for her (but then again, it IS Tomcat ), but it is hardly the be all and end all when it comes to determining her power as a Sith Lord.
The point is, we don't know enough about her future accomplishments to come to a logical conclusion on her abilities with respect to Malak's. For now I go with Malak based what he has shown in KOTOR and his ranking among the Sith/Jedi in the KOTOR times.
Luke also didn't grow up honing his force abilities-albeit crudely, whereas he turned to the dark side in pure fury upon seeing his best friend killed...
I was more talking about what she did to Petja. That Zannah was considered more worthy of Malak's apprentice, and what we know she became should be enough to put her at least on par with Malak...and Zannah's future was to be a terrible and powerful Dark Jedi, and she was a master saber fighter
- 2nd Most Powerful Sith/Jedi in a martial time of the galaxy
- Controlled a backstabbing Sith Empire and had no rivals
- Mastered the use of the Star Forge
- Masterful lightsaber user (probably used Makashi)
- Powerful user of the Dark Side of the Force
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), but it is hardly the be all and end all when it comes to determining her power as a Sith Lord. 
