My point was that Malak believed Bastila could buy time for him... If he chose her over any of the multitudes of dark jedi he has, it means that he had more confidence in her to stall Revan. Again, stalling Revan means she is at least prepared to handle Maul (who is of considerably lesser skill)
I was just stating that Maul never was capable of producing lightning. In general, I am saying that he did not have as much knowledge in the dark side. It is possible that Sidious did not deem Maul fit enough to learn all the secrets of the darkside from him.
Malak seemed to take such liberties with Bastila, since she is capable of producing lightning. Not to mention Bastila is well versed with both sides of the force, light and dark.
In Revan's dreams, he was conversing specifically to her, as if referring to her as the leader of the opposition. Again is their any proof that she was merely a padawan at this point? If so, why did the council send her on such important missions? It seems most logical it was due to skill and a combination of other factors.
Since the evidence seems to point she was most likely in charge of the strike team, I am going to ask you to prove that she was just a grunt.
You are assuming that Bastila has never fought a dark Jedi before? She was in a far more milataristic order, facing off against Revan and Malak's DJ's. Chances are she will be more than prepared for enemies like Maul.
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Revan was a force prodigy and saber prodigy, noted for growing in power in the few weeks training he had before facing Juhani at a phenomenal rate, 'learning in days what it took others months to learn'. Juhani was also only a padawan at this stage, she would have been forged into a much stronger warrior due to her travels with Revan.
And Jolee Bindo was clearly powerful in his own right, The historian Mical (he's a historian, so he knows his stuff and his knowledge base will be vast) considered Jolee's adventures as one of the most valuable pieces of jedi history, on par in that regard with the teachings of Vodo Siosk-Bass, so he clearly kicked some ass in his day, and was most likely pretty powerful.
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Well i don't have an Xbox so I've never played the KOTOR games, and I'm not sure about Bastilla's power. However, i think it would be logical to assume that if she could go up against Revan, that she could handle Maul. I'll give him credit, he was a beast and an excellent weapon for Sidious and was trained by the greatest Sith, but i haven't seen him do anything too impressive. OB1 was an apprentice and Qui Gon was way past his prime. So handling them both is something i could see ROTS Anakin or Ki, or even ROTS OB1 doing.(yes i know he cant fight himself, just talking about his skill level, and performing such a feat.) I think that Revan would have been able to kill OB1 and QGJ. I'm not using the A>B>C argument, I'm saying that I think it's obvious that Revan is above Maul, and is Bastilla was holding him off, she should have considerable powers/skill levels. I don't htink Maul could contend with that kind of power. I really don't want to hear that he almost killed Sidious, cause we've been through that enough, and no one agrees on the validity of that instance. Was Sidious in real danger, was he going easy, he could barely block, but then was laughing at Maul...blah blah blah. But just from what I've heard from people here, I would say Bastilla could pull this out.
1. He sent EVERY BODY one the SF to stop Revan what are you talking about, Bastila at that point was the LAST DJ he had and his second to last defense from Revan (The Droids were the last)
2. What he lacks in an wide array of force powers he MORE then makes up in the physical aspects of the dark side.
3. WTF are you talking about Revan didn't say a word to her, she makes some kind of dumb threat thats it thats HARDLY an indication of leadership, she was a Padawan because in KOTOR Zhar say "Padawan Bastila you've already met"
4. THe council sent her for 1 reason only her BM, she was the only one capable of producing it to such an extent that would allow them to board Revans flagship, the loading screens also say this.
5. Has she EVER met a foe with Teras Kasi, a foe who has mastered Juyo and a foe with the physical power of Maul and won? No.
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Im waiting for someone to give me an argument for Bastila other then "She got tooled around by Revan so she must be strong!" Also may I add that Maul has beaten Darth Vader in saber combat. Bastila doesn't stand a chance.
Dude, he does that against training droids, to assume that he would fight like that against actual jedi is silly to say the least, especially when he hardly employs it at all against Anoon Bondara or Darsha later on in the book, or Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn in TPM.
And clearly you miss the point, Tera Kasi only employs stance, and melee attacks, relatively minor aspects of his dueling style, when considering the actual style of weapon he's using and form he is utilising.
All of what you posted is true. But he believed that singlehandedly, Bastila could provide enough of distraction for him to empower himself with the Star Forge. Again, there is not enough proof that Revan destroyed ALL the dark Jedi. It is clear that he had enough confidence in Bastila to stall time for him. Being able to stall a force user of Revan's calibur, indicates strenght in the force.
Again, prove that Maul can defeat Bastila just by virtue of physical prowess. Bastila has enough knowledge in both sides of the force to hold her own against Maul.
And simply defeating Qui Gon is enough to put Maul above Bastila? Despite the fact that Bastila fought far more DJ's and knew a hell of a lot more in the force than Qui Gon?
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Conceeded. She may not be the leader. But so what, everyone else was dead and it was finally Revan vs Bastila in his flagship. It's clear that she was superiour to all the other Jedi she was with.
We know she fought against numerous dark Jedi. She has also fought an opponent as powerful as Revan. Enough preparation I should think.
EDIT: And I also agree to Kas'im's point. She had sufficient strength to incapicate Jolee Bindo, a venerable consular with years to refine his force defenses, and another Jedi Knight, Juhani, simultaneously.
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It's the fact that she was instantly able to stun them on the spot. Doing this against any jedi would be impressive, but the fact that she dos it to two powerful jedi speaks volumes.
1. Yeah Malak also believed that 4 or 5 droids could stop Revan, he also believed his cannon fodder DJ could stop Revan, So what. Bastila got tooled by Revan 5 times, 3 of those while she was being pumped up by the SF (Which she doesn't have against Maul) The only reason Malak would believe such a thing is because the the SF is backing her up, he even says it.
2. Malak who is obviously physically stronger does it, and Maul beat DARTH VADER in saber combat, if your seriously gonna compare Bastila to Vader....
3. Actually no, There were still Jedi left behind her, and even still being the last to get killed is not an indication of power.
4. Again being tooled by Revan does not make you strong.
5. As for the she stunned Jedi, again big whoop, none of them are as strong or anywhere near Mauls level, Your arguments for Juhani getting stronger are just your opinion with no actual evidence and Jolee is a old man past his prime who hadn't been in combat with a force user in 30 years.
No, one of his minions states "You believe they can stop Revan?"
He says, "Of course not, but they can slow Revan down."
The difference between the scenarios is that he actually relied on Bastila to singlehandedly stall Revan, as opposed to be aided by droids/ other dark Jedi.
I disagree. He had innumerable amounts of Dark Jedi. Why pick Bastila to be empowered by the star Forge if not for her skill?
An infinity. Non canon dude.. His ability is hence non canon too...
If you want to go buy this logic, then this would mean padawan Obi Wan also stands a good chance of defeating Vader.
I seem to recall the last guy being choked, leaving only her and Revan. The fact that she wasn’t instantly pwned by his powers is not bad.
Being strong enough to be able to stall an uber force user does work to your advantage...
Again, she was placed as a Jedi knight. Bastila stunned her instantly.
Not really, he used the force several times in the wild lands to defend against beasts. He had years to meditate on the force. The Jedi council even asked that he take a position within the council. In other words, he was about to be granted a position as master in the council, except he denied it. Bastila stunned him along with Juhani in an instant. We can take this and deduce that she was very good with force powers, in fact, significantly better than Maul.
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Zephiel, I'll make this simple. What one person thinks isn't a fact. Kreia thought Revan never turned to the dark side. Luke thought Kyp had more potential than him. You're not really making an argument by saying "Well Malak thought highly of her so she pwns".
No, one of his minions states "You believe they can stop Revan?"
He says, "Of course not, but they can slow Revan down."
The difference between the scenarios is that he actually relied on Bastila to singlehandedly stall Revan, as opposed to be aided by droids/ other dark Jedi.
And he even says Bastila will fail. Point Moot. Your only point is Bastila was stronger then a bunch of DJ scrubs...and even with the SF backing her up was still weaker then Revan.
I disagree. He had innumerable amounts of Dark Jedi. Why pick Bastila to be empowered by the star Forge if not for her skill?
Because she was his student...Her being stronger then a bunch of DJ losers is not impressive especially considering BANDON is stronger then them too.
An infinity. Non canon dude.. His ability is hence non canon too...
No that story was accepted as canon by LeeLand Chee, I'm lookin for the direct quote as we speak, its the same as how Vader vs Dark Lady is canon.
I seem to recall the last guy being choked, leaving only her and Revan. The fact that she was’t instantly pwned by his powers is not bad.
No, there were 2 Jedi standing behind her. She finished killing the DJ as Revan was choking the officer, the she made her speech Revan prepared to take them ALL on and Malak fired on his ship.
Being strong enough to be able to stall an uber force user does make you strong.
Give me proof of how long she lasted, you point is moot because of individual gameplay experiences, Again getting tooled multiple times does not make you strong, if anything its a knock on her that even with the SF pumping her up to superhuman levels she still sucked.
Again, she was placed as a Jedi knight. Bastila stunned her instantly.
So? She was only promoted to Knight because Revan helped her overcome the DS, Since when does getting promoted to Knight = Power leap?
Not really, he used the force several times in the wild lands to defend against beasts. He had years to meditate on the force. The Jedi council even asked that he take a position within the council. In other words, he was about to be granted a position as master in the council, except he denied it. Bastila stunned him along with Juhani in an instant. We can take this and deduce that she was very good with force powers.
Again when he was in his 30's he was asked to be a Jedi Master. He is an old man who hadn't been in combat with a Force User in 30 years.
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Not so DS...With regards to many of the examples you brought, none of them had an educated opinion.
Malak was pretty much Revan's closest and best friend. They fought in the Mandalorian wars, they studied together the teachings of the Jedi, and they studied the darkside together at Malachor even.
He also saw Revan storm through the Star Forge. Clearly his belief that Bastila would serve as a an adequate staller, is an educated and hence valid opinion.
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