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Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion vs the ROTS jedi order
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Icy Ninja
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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Issue 76 of the Republic series. Tholme says he disconnected from the Force


Just cuz one guy can do that doesn't mean every one can

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Yeah, I'm sure the top guys of the order can't do what their inferior can...
Yoda alone can butcher Nihilus or Sion in a straight fight


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No, Yoda would get quite easily butchered by either.

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Was Sion the one who holds himself together by the sheer will of hate through the darkside? If so, Yoda would probably have a little trouble with him, especially if he has to make him lose his will to fight.


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Now, you're just tiresome. Dtop being such an Ancient Fanboy, it's gotten very old

No, it's your PT fanboyism that's gotten old. You just assume that PT Jedi always win. How about explaining how Sion's gonna die? And Tholme disconnecting himself from the Force isn't going to stop Nihilus from killing him with Force Lighting or another attack.
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Te PT Jedi can disconnect at will and Sion can atill lose if he's hacked to bits.

Nope, Sion can die a hundred times and still not die. He always comes back to life, his doesn't die, hit bits would re-atatch themselves.


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No, Yoda would get quite easily butchered by either.


Prove up. smile

In a straight fight? Sion would be unable to die, but Yoda'd thrash him around like a red headed stepchild. He's faster, more agile, and much more powerful in the Force.

Take Nihilus's drain away, and he's a depowered Sidious with no heralded proficiency with a lightsaber. Hell, he's likely less than Dooku. Yoda takes him as well.

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Sion is badass; he's physically invulnerable, possesses an incredibly high willpower and is very strong in the darkside.

Nihilus' raw power is far above Yoda's, he was able to drain an entire force sensitive race as well as hundreds of jedi, he was able to dominate the minds of his entire crew, he held his entire starship together with the force. I'm sorry, but the little guy's getting squashed.


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but Yoda'd thrash him around like a red headed stepchild.


Proof?

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He's faster,


Proof?

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more agile,


Proof?

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and much more powerful in the Force.


Proof?

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Take Nihilus's drain away, and he's a depowered Sidious with no heralded proficiency with a lightsaber. Hell, he's likely less than Dooku. Yoda takes him as well.


Bullshit!


Good luck proving all of that by the way! thumb up

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he could just as easily say prove the contrary, that Sion is in fact all those things. erm


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Sion is badass; he's physically invulnerable, possesses an incredibly high willpower and is very strong in the darkside.


Prove that his strength in the Force is above the most powerful Jedi prior to Luke.

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Nihilus' raw power is far above Yoda's, he was able to drain an entire force sensitive race as well as hundreds of jedi, he was able to dominate the minds of his entire crew, he held his entire starship together with the force. I'm sorry, but the little guy's getting squashed.


That's great! But prove how it's gonna help him in a combat situation. smile

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Proof?


Yoda is quicker. Yoda is more agile. Yoda has mastered all seven forms.

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Proof?


Sion has not been shown moving as fast.

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Proof?


Sion has not been shown moving as fast.

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Proof?


Sion has not showed anything close to the technique or mastery that Yoda has. smile

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Bullshit!


[Planet] Waa! Prove it! [/Planet]

Prove otherwise. smile Where has his extreme mastery with a blade been heralded or bragged upon?

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Good luck proving all of that by the way! thumb up


Didn't need much luck. smile

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1. He was able to channel the force to make himself physically invincible, I'd say that's far above anything Yoda has done.

2. How is having that kind of power in the force going to help him?

3. Absence of proof /= proof of absence.

4. Absence of proof /= proof of absence.

5. Absence of proof /= proof of absence.

6. Absence of proof /= proof of absence.

7. Absence of proof /= proof of absence.

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Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
he could just as easily say prove the contrary, that Sion is in fact all those things. erm


He presented the assertion, it's up to him to prove up, not up to me to prove its negative.

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Lmao! Absence of proof =/= proof of absence. All right. Then there is my submission for proof as to Sion and Nihilus's "supposed mastery" of the Force that is greater than Yoda's.

Yoda was said to be the most powerful foe of the dark side in history. By transitive property, Sion and Nihilus (who aren't the most powerful Sith Lords) are not as strong.

On panel evidence? Absence of proof =/= proof of absence.

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Actually, you submitted that Yoda would easily be butchered by either in a "straight up fight". Try to prove it. smile

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No, Yoda would get quite easily butchered by either.

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Dude, don't be ridiculous. Yoda has no way of killing Sion, Nihilus has displayed far greater force power, either one pwns him.

And your point 2 is fecked, it doesn't make sense.

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Dude, don't be ridiculous. Yoda has no way of killing Sion, Nihilus has displayed far greater force power, either one pwns him.


You don't pay attention, lmao. Sion will continue to get thrashed repeatedly. I'm not denying that he'd eventually win. But he's not more powerful. He's not even close. And it wouldn't be ownage. It'd be Sion hitting the floor/walls/doors/open air 'til Yoda either gets tired or decides to take a nap.

Again, for Nihilus, "absence of proof is not proof of absence". I'd recommend not trying to use that little excuse. It gets one no where.

[Planet] Wrong! Waa! Prove it! [/Planet]

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And your point 2 is fecked, it doesn't make sense.


Sure it does. "Brainpower is useful". laughing

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In regards to Sion:
1. Yoda can't possibly kill him, it's impossible.
2. You can't prove that Yoda is better than Sion in any area.
3. Sion's ability to channel his hatred and willpower through the darkside to make himself physically invincible is phenomenal, and speaks for him being much stronger in the force.

In regards to Nihilus, the only thing we don't really know about him are his lightsaber skills, but this doesn't matter, as he's so much stronger in the force than Yoda is for them to be a factor.

Now how about you stop acting like a 7 year old, and debate properly.

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In regards to Sion:
1. Yoda can't possibly kill him, it's impossible.


Go show me where I said that Yoda could kill him.

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2. You can't prove that Yoda is better than Sion in any area.


Wrong. Yoda has displayed far more technique and mastery with the Force. Again: "the most powerful foe the darkness has ever known". Sion isn't the most powerful dark sider. There's nothing to state that they are close in command of the Force.

Likewise, prove that Yoda is weaker.

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3. Sion's ability to channel his hatred and willpower through the darkside to make himself physically invincible is phenomenal, and speaks for him being much stronger in the force.


No, it doesn't.

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In regards to Nihilus, the only thing we don't really know about him are his lightsaber skills, but this doesn't matter, as he's so much stronger in the force than Yoda is for them to be a factor.


Again: prove that Nihilus is the more skilled swordsman.

Prove that he is stronger than Yoda. He's not the most powerful Sith.

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Now how about you stop acting like a 7 year old, and debate properly.


Lmao. How about no? You do the same thing, on an even less mature level. I will argue with you the way that you argue with me. So spouting off "absence of proof =/= proof of absence" will do you no good. wink

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Go show me where I said that Yoda could kill him.


I didn't say you did.

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Wrong. Yoda has displayed far more technique and mastery with the Force.


Again, absence of proof /= proof of absence.

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Again: "the most powerful foe the darkness has ever known".


This is an in-universe belief, Yoda came to this conclusion while battling Sidious, it's not factual.

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Sion isn't the most powerful dark sider.


Easily top 10. But anyways, Sion isn't 'a foe of the darkness', so your point is moot (not that it wasn't already), and sith are generally much more powerful than jedi.

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There's nothing to state that they are close in command of the Force.


His phenomenal ability. Yoda's strength in the force is comparatively pathetic, as shown in the movies.

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Likewise, prove that Yoda is weaker.


1. I don't need to, because Yoda can't win this either way.

2. You came up with the assertion, it's up to you to prove up, not up to me to prove its negative.

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No, it doesn't.


Yes, it does. Yoda's grasp of the force is pathetic, as shown when he struggled with that crane that was falling on Anakin and Kenobi in AotC.

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Again: prove that Nihilus is the more skilled swordsman.


1. I don't need to as he is that much stronger in the force.

2. You came up with the assertion, it's up to you to prove up, not up to me to prove its negative.

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Prove that he is stronger than Yoda.


He's displayed power far beyond Yoda.

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He's not the most powerful Sith.


In the force, he is imo.

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Lmao. How about no? You do the same thing, on an even less mature level. I will argue with you the way that you argue with me. So spouting off "absence of proof =/= proof of absence" will do you no good.


The thing is, when you do it, you only come off as a loser.

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The absence of proof is not proof of absence excuse is double edged. I can make all of your arguments moot by using it in the same manner that you have. Unless you can prove that Sion is faster and more agile, he's not. smile Unless you can provide an example of Sion using the Force on a scale more powerful than Yoda, he's not stronger. Period.

Edit: By the way, lmao, I wouldn't lecture me on being a loser. Haven't you got the clue, yet? No one here respects or likes you. You're the versus forum loser, my friend. smile

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Well nihilus mega drain turned an entire planet to rubble, read unseen unheard, His drain not only kills his enemies but it destroys physical landscape and shook down buildings and his drain isnt just a normal drain, it dissintigrates everything it touches as the comic proved

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