This is like a KMC reunion! Lets all sing together! Kumbaya!! *holds lighter up in the air*
lol ok down to serious stuff
I guess that he fell in love in his time of death because it was a wake up call for him. That, how may I put this....that you don't know what you have till it's gone.
And I guess for Jack Sparrow, that it had to take something like to his ultimate death in order to see and realize his feelings for Liz.
It is strange, but let's think about this. It might be coincidence (the timing). I think he became vexed with her during CotBP, and that vexation and feelings continued to grow throughout the year that they were apart. so strong in fact that Liz becomes something Jack wants, but doesn't want to want very strongly. Then his debt is up and he knows that it's coming. But he can't focus entirely on that because he hasn't resolved his feelings for Elizabeth yet. That's how I see it.
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I agree with ludagurl. Falling in love usually can't be pinpointed to a certain moment. Realizing it may be, but not the process. So when someone asks, "why is Jack in love with her now," I would say, "why not?"
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But is that really a mystery or an issue? Why does it matter? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just saying what everyone has said, that for these characters' personalities, they flirt and get to know one another, but need a push to really get the ball rolling. Also, another reason on why their relationship has escalated is just time. It wouldn't make much sense for them to fall in love in the first movie.
True, maybe death makes both of them realize how they feel for the other. Jack is going to die unless he finds the key/chest and he knows this. But at the same time he wants Elizabeth, probably more than his own life since he is so vexed by her that his compass when he REALLY needs it to work, doesn't.
Elizabeth for her part seems confused and upset about her attraction to Jack all throughout DMC...it's not until she kisses him and sends him to his death that she realizes just what she has lost. I always believed after the kiss she realizes her feelings for him might be more than just lust.
It' weird, but it is also coincidental timing...Jack and his debt, and him meeting Liz only a year earlier. His feelings were most likely always there that entire year they were apart and kept developing. The two (his feelings/his debt to Davy) just overlapped.
Question, again, they had all the scenes to do so--for a "fall in love" scene.
Ted & Terry are the type that works in mysterious ways. I have a feeling they did this for a purpose. I think it's a way of showing relizations from Jack and Liz. Jack realized how he could be so honest and a "good man" to sacrifice his life to save Liz and the others. With Liz, after she "killed" him. She didn't realize how much she really miss this man.
My goodness...such sugary goodness in this thread...I've thought about not posting, but eh...I can't resist.
--I don't think Jack is 'in love'...in fact, Terry explains rather concisely on KTTC that they went quite far in the movie to prevent people from saying that Jack is "...easily, safely, romantically, simply in love with Elizabeth moreso than the Pearl or the sea -- the film doesn't say that. (We even go so far as to say the opposite -- to Elizabeth herself!! -- "My first and only love is the sea.")"
--He further explains the situation this way that if it is Elizabeth vexing Jack, then it could be desire for her, or it could be that maybe she is representative of his wish to live the life of a good man.
--To add to that, he never says that it is in fact Elizabeth herself who is causing the compass difficulty. In this post, he even suggests that it may be some other woman who might be causing the trouble (he is careful to always use the words 'perhaps' and 'maybe'), and he seems to keep driving home the point that Jack doesn't know at all what he wants.
--And the last thing I would point out (because I have to, I'm so sorry. Kind of ) is that Terry said that 'vexed' does not equal 'love'.
I know, I know. I'm such a killjoy. Have fun getting annoyed and picking my post apart.
Didn't he also say that if the compass points to the waffles, it means you want THOSE waffles, not because you are hungry? So wouldn't that prove that when the compass points at Jack, it's not because she wants to be a pirate... and when the compass points to Liz, it doesn't mean he wishes to live the life of a good man.. but that he wants HER?
no way, i'm not gonna pick apart your post. what you say is true. but i don't take it as arguments against JE. i vote vexing all around. so what if he loves the sea more? i bet he doesnt MAKE LOVE to the sea.
good man, bad man, who's to lable such a thing?
kttc, really? (tries to remember where the hatchet was buried)
killing/betraying... its all part of the food chain.
oh, but i needed to say that the vexing is actually desire for liz, since t and t repeatedly said there was no transference with the compass (oh shoot, i think we buried that too). never mind, pocky got it.
Just because you want a waffle, it doesn't mean that you want that delicious meal any less. It's just that at that moment, you find the waffle interesting.
At that moment...so what happens when you get to the meal?
And no, you can't say, "But she liked the waffle better!", because that wasn't part of the post now, was it? Also, if he had wanted to add it in, I think he would have...so yeah...waffles are 'interesting', but apparently the meal is 'delicious'.
^^ She'd be crazy not to be. James is sexy in brocade or in...slightly dirtier and very torn up brocade.
Oh, and Misty...Implied isn't the same as confirmed. Since the writer himself opens the possibility that other sources of 'vexation' exist means that they should be given equal weight.
im so sick of all the waffle talk. who finds a waffle INTERESTING? no way man. you either eat it with strawberries or you let someone else eat it. a waffle on a plate, not being enjoyed, is a sad waste of a waffle. it breaks my heart to think about a waffle that someone found "interesting" but not "delicious", or "satisfying". there are starving kids in Africa. Eat the damn waffle or give it to someone who will appreciate it.
same with the feast. Elizabeth really is a pig if she's gonna keep that feast all to herself and not share it with Barbossa or the rest of the crew. They are probably hungry too.
as to the "safe, easily in love with elizabeth" bit... love/romance should NEVER be safe or easy IMO. thats denying the very nature of "Love". but i think we are all references really different kinds of LOVE. too bad we arent greek- they have like 14 words for it.
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