Cool. Exitar is not the most powerful Celestial. The One Above All(Celestial) and Scathan are. Are u saying Celestials can't destroy universes? The Eternity reference. Celestials stem from Eternity. Ok. Did u see Eternity wimper out when Scathan and Tribunal killed Protege? IMHO, Eternity can't beat Hawk God
Exitar is the most powerful Celestail, then the Dreaming celestail, then one above all, areshim, scathan. Celestails can destroy a universe I never said that they can't, but the Anti Monitor destroyed more than one universe, he was destroying them and absorbing the energy from them making him stronger. At his prime Anti-Monitor was the second most powerful being next to the Spectre,it took a Full powered Spectre to fight him and spectre could have easily killed. Anti-Monitor=Spectre>>>>>>Eternity/FP Galactus>>>>> Normal Galactus/Any Celestails, that's like saying the Dreaming Celestail could beat a weaken LT or Spectre it's not happening.
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Good debate. I chose Tiamut. He's ommipotent. I know who defeated Anti Monitor. Spectre been used as a pawn by Eclipso. Tiamut will defeat the Monitor. Just my opinion. Reference to Galactus. He's afraid of Tiamut. Couldn't stop him before, he ain't stopping him now. Its in Eternals, as was FF wrote G attempting to beat Tiamut. ABC logic. Celestials have helped Living Tribunal. Has Galactus. No.
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i think anti monitor would win
i recently re-read the orignial infinite crisis,was not the spectre linked to ALOT of magic users and still only repelled the anti monitor? did i miss somthing?
the spectre did not (could not ) defeat the anti nonitor alone by himself?
and i hear people saying he could of killed him easily?
It's always hard to compare "Cosmic" beings of different Universes.
Is LT as powerful as the Spectre? Is Spectre the most powerful being? If one company allows another being to defeat the TopDog does it mean it would be able to defeat the TopDog of another Universe too?
By Universe I mean the real Marvel or DC Universe, it doesn't matter if the particular Universe is an Multiverse or just one Universe, because the Multiverse/Universe represents always "ONE" Companybased Universe ala Marvel/DC.
Look at Krona, in the JLA/Avengers Crossover he destroyed whole Universes, adding thei power to his own, he treated to destroy the whole Marvel Universe/Multiverse, so we can say for sure that he was more powerful then both Spectre and the Living Tribunal, even TOAA.
Could the Anti-Monitor do the same? I don't think so. Is he even aware of the existence of another Universe/Multiverse outside of DC? Would his powers work under the Rules of the Marvel Universe? I guess not, and if one of those Rules is, that no being is beyond the TopDog, means LT, he wouldn't even be allowed to enter the Marvel Universe without permission. Why was he more powerful then LT's DC-counterpart the Spectre (who needed the help of the most powerful mystics to temporary "defeat" the Anti-Monitor)? Because the "Source" allowed it, it wanted the Heroes to accomplish this task (by it I mean the DC heads). Marvel could of course create it's own universethreatening Villain who would kick LT's ass, but it wouldn't be able to even touch the Spectre.
In my eyes, LT and Spectre, wield as much power as the TOAA/Source (or Brothers) of the particular Universe grants them to accomplish a task, making them more powerful then anything else. Without it they are maybe powerful but not even near the level they were before. So if the Anti-Monitor would be allowed to enter the Marvel Universe he would loose against LT but only if TOAA would allow it.
If LT would come into the DC Universe, Dr.Fate alone could defeat him :P, the same is true for the Spectre in my eyes, he wouldn't last an minute against Dr. Fate for example in the Marvel Universe .
Conclusion
LT > Anti-Monitor in the Marvel Universe
Anti-Monitor > LT in the DC Universe
Anti-Monitor > LT in a neutral Universe (means LT cut from his powersource)
As for Tiamut
Anti-Monitor > Tiamut
Cause he allready absorbed too much of the DC Universe/Multiverse.
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Dreaming Celestail hasn't done anything. What makesy you believe that he can beat a high level cosmic being, Galactus will crack Dreaming Celestail armor and absorb all of his energy the samething Anti-Monitor will do.
Ok. Have u read Eternals #6. Who's grim now? Aforementioned, as it written in FF, Galactus couldn't consume Tiamut. He's back. He's goin to raise hell. Celestials should end the threat this time. Galactus isn't more powerful than a Celestial. He is not more powerful than the Phoenix Force. Tell me about the UN, show me the scan of Earth X. I know that. Galactus is powerful. IMHO, he is not more powerful than a Celestial, he will not stop the Celestial race. He's a jobber. Hell, did he stop the bug yet. No. Has he consumed Earth 616? No. Did u see Mighty Galactus stop Protege? No. It was a Celestial along with Living Tribunal
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I like your approach to this, and I say, it is as it should be, everyone has his favourites.
Somtimes bad writing, or a change in the Comic Companies head-staff, might "destroy" ones favourite hero, if you don't loose faith, more power to you. Look what Miller did to Batman in the All-Star-Batman, or DC to Superboy-Prime in IC. I won't accept it, because it is only garbage. In my DC Universe Superboy is still a good guy, F*ck DC .
We all have an point of view, mine is no better then yours , so we agree to disagree and thats fine for me . No offense meant, I'm sorry if my previous post sounded offensive, it wasn't meant to.
As far as I understand the concept of Galactus, he isn't more powerful then a Celestial, not yet. He is destined to consume all Matter in the Universe, which would sate (sp?) him and start a new Bing Bang, at this point he would be more powerful then anyone else, except LT.
Reminds me of Anti-Monitor, who consumed almost all the Multiverses of the Infinite DC Multiverse, excet five. Would he succeed, he would be the most powerful being of the One Anti-Matteruniverse.
To be honest the Cosmic beings of the Marvel Universe are cooler and better designed IMO. DC's cosmic beings don't seem so cosmic at all because they rarely interact with each other, and because the heroes of the DC Universe interact too much with them. Except of this, the real Design sucks, take Imperiex for example, he looked not bad, but he was more of a Celestial/Galactus ripp-off.
Does anyone know if Kismet came after or before Eternity?
BTW that's the prob of DC, they have no well established hierarchy in their Universe, while Marvel does. That's the reason why Marvel makes often more sense and why it doesn't need a new crisis every 2-10 years to delete all the loopholes and continuityflaws.
Galactus did consume the dreaming celestail in FF 337-341 and then blink thart universe out of existence. Get the scan from Mr.Master. Your ar going by Eternal 6 as where I have all the eternals issues from 1976-now. Galactus is more more powerful than Celestail, are Celestails consider equals to Etrnity, no. Eternity considers Galactus his equal, even the watcher Uatu stated that Galactus on his own power can destroy the universe 10x over.
In FF337-341 Reed even stated that Galactus after he absorb the Dreaming Celestail, stated that Galactus became so powerful he would destroy the whole Celestail race and the whole universe, nothing can stop his hunger. Reed saw Galatus potentail and was very disturb.
LT absorb protege, and scathan judge him.
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I chose Tiamut. He's ommipotent. I know who defeated Anti Monitor. Spectre been used as a pawn by Eclipso. Tiamut will defeat the Monitor. Just my opinion. Reference to Galactus. He's afraid of Tiamut. Couldn't stop him before, he ain't stopping him now. Its in Eternals, as was FF wrote G attempting to beat Tiamut. ABC logic. Celestials have helped Living Tribunal. Has Galactus. No.
). Marvel could of course create it's own universethreatening Villain who would kick LT's ass, but it wouldn't be able to even touch the Spectre.
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