Kun had a stalemate with Ulic before obtaining his double-bladed lightsaber and Ulic is beyond remotely impressive. He beat Mandalore, with a weapon that he had never used before, while on unfamiliar and uneven terrain, without a mount when Mandalore did have a mount. For a while he even turned off his saber and fought unarmed and dodged all of Mandalore's attacks. If I am not mistaken, Mandalore is pretty much the same rank as Jango Fett was (Jango wasn't called Mandalore but he pretty much was). That's impressive. And the first time that Kun beat Vodo Vodo wasn't fighting half-heartedly.
Yes, I am, surely Anakin in his prime as a Padawan would beat Maul so it's not impossible for a Padawan to be above Maul or anything.
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Could you post the scan of Kun stalemating Ulic? I don't remember that part for some reason...
As for Mandalor, if he is on par with Jango then that means that he could be topped by Aotc Kenobi... still doesn't speak very highly of him. Also could you post the scan with Exar turning his lightsaber off?
And as for the "first time" they fought I'm assuming your talking about after he got slashed on the face? I doubt Vodo was going "all out". He was fighting to teach his Padawan a lessen, not kill him or injure him.
This would seem absolutely correct, except for the fact that you excluded his duel with Ulic Qel-Droma, which was a complete stalemate:
That'd be the same Ulic, who's got a list of achievements under his belt:
As well, he was able to fend off Sylvar, who was an enraged Jedi master, feeding into the darkside of the Force, for an unimaginable amount of time, even after being cut off from the Force nearly ten years ago, and more than likely out of practice. This feat is impressive in itself, due to the fact that he had absolutely no precognition, or assistance with the Force, whereas Sylvar had both, and her attack was fueled by the ferocity of the darkside (which increases power, and strength, obviously; see: TPM, RotJ, RotS), as previously mentioned.
Indeed, you probably haven't seen much, due to the fact your blind as a bat. But, for the rest of the world who has perfect vision, we'll note the fact that he was, even during DLotS, sheer equals with Ulic in bladed combat. Try equipping your spectacles next time.
"Past his prime"? Where do you see any evidence to suggest this? Actually, forget that question, seeing as it's already been established your vision is faulty.
Jokes aside, nothing indicates he was over his limit. Yoda was 800 plus years old during the PT, yet he was still the most powerful Jedi up to that point. Just because he was 600 odd years of age, doesn't necessarily mean he was "past his prime". Although, if you want to supply proof, by all means, do so. However, trying to downplay Vodo (and Kun's feat), though, is a mistake.
Irrelevant, insomuch as the fact that he's been stated to have "wielded a common quarterstaff in combat as effectively as most Jedi used a lightsaber" (Power of the Jedi Sourcebook, p. 102), would lead one to believe just that. That's he's not at any disadvantage.
Irrelevant, insomuch as the fact he was stated as "[being] no match for Exar Kun's double-bladed lightsaber and deep reserve of dark side power" (Power of the Jedi Sourcebook, p. 102), and "not having a chance" (Darkside Sourcebook, p. 78), would lead one to believe that whether or not he wasn't giving his all - it wouldn't have change the outcome, and he'd still be slaughtered by Kun.
Exar didn't battle Mandalore the Indomitable, Ulic did. And he did so with the specifications darthsith mentioned, which gave Mandalore a huge advantage:
Regardless of the benefits, Ulic took the machine out with casual ease, and then manages to defeat Mandalore without his lightsaber, as you can see in the last scan ("I can defeat you, regardless of the weapon, Mandalore." -- he dueled unarmed for a few panels). He used a ****ing Mandalorian battle axe to conquer him (obviously, a foreign weapon to him, whereas it was common among the Mandalorians).
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There's also the fact that Exar Kun was able to break through Vodo's stick, which could not only withstand the cutting power of a lightsaber, but was also directly stated as being stronger than one. That display of strength is probably the greatest we've ever seen in Star Wars, I mean think about it: he was able to generate enough kinetic damage with an object that has no weight to break through something that could withstand its cutting power. That's incredible.
He was able to blast both Cay and Nomi back some pretty nice distance with waves of darkside energies purely by shouting, so that was without even focusing the attack.
Even after having been cut off from the force, he was still able to vanish to the spiritual plane upon death, which is something only a true jedi master can usually achieve.
I'd say Vodo makes it to Dooku at the minumum. He probably wins there too. The guy's experince comes closer to that of Yoda than anyone with the possible exception of Odan. Also, he did hown his own against Exar for quite some time. Yes, he did lose in the end, but so would any group in this gauntlet if they went against Exar. Also, Vodo was intrusted with training Exar, who the Order must have known had a ridiculous amount of Force Potential. For all the reasons stated above I think he make it at least to Sidious and probably wins there too.
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Agreed, and to add on to the whole being Exar's teacher thing, the teachings contained in his holocron were considered some of the most valuable pieces of Jedi History by Mikal (historian) in KotOR 3, so in terms of knowledge, he's likely right up there (along with Yoda and Odan).
The hell... You;re trying to say that Jango could have beaten Mace? Lol, no, AOTC Kenobi was on par with him and that was when he was trying not to kill Jango, AND Jango had Boba helping him. Mace is not only quite a ways above AOTC Kenobi, he's even above ROTS Kenobi, and Kenobi got quite a bit stronger between films.
On par with Jango? Eh... It wasn't even much of a fight, both lost their weapons if I remember and then Jango nearly fell. THat's about it. All Kenob did was block some shots and get snagged by Jango's grappling line.
What a titanic clash.
Agree here.
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Vodo Siosk-Baas was one of the more powerful Jedi masters -- after all, the guy wields a staff, and augments it, *using the Force*, so that it could match lightsaber blades. And then he dueled one of the most deadly Dark Side wielders in history with it. That's pretty awesome, and that's not taking into account any of his more relevant feats.
He doesn't make it all the way through, but he gets most of the way. I'd say that it could go either way at eight, but that he definitely loses at nine. Darth Sidious is too powerful for him, though the fight still might last a while.
Oh, PLEASE! He's not even touching one of the most powerful Jedi masters in histor.y
'Held his own?' Right, he held his own against a padawan...and was toyed with and destroyed by a Sith Lord.
and no, not 'everyone' in this gauntlet would lose fi they went up against Exar.
Really, glentract, how pathetic is this? You ahve any evidence to back up this fanboy crap? Any top tier PT Jedi would turn Vodo into crabcakes. "He makes it up to Sidious and wins."
Bullshit. Sorry. What'd Vodo do that was ever impressive...? Oh, right, he beat a padawan-and lost shortly later....and he can make a STICK saber resistant, OMG!
Maul slaughters him. Period. Vodo's just not a top tier, and this was shown by our last 'debate' at EoD. Which was really you continuing bleating out Vodo's praises without an ounce of proof
Mar 9th, 2007 02:36 AM
Were the hell have you been anyhoo? You don't have a... *gasp* LIFE do you?
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