This is indeed all true, and so your many excellent reasons have proven to me conclusively the outcome of the fight.
It is possible that Obi-Wan would take the chance and go out into the lava anyway; it would be near suicide, but he doesn't have much else to lose at this point. Vader's flexibility has decreased since their previous fight on Mustafar, and there's the chance, though extremely remote, that he could bring Vader down with him, at least if Vader actually came out with him instead of simply throwing things at him with the Force. However, since the most likely good outcome here is both opponents dying, it isn't enough to count as a legitimate victory, even if it was to happen (and that's extremely remote, as it relies entirely on Vader deliberately and purposefully being an idiot and walking into undue danger).
So it would seem that my original judgement was indeed flawed, and that Vader would win, and decisively as well.
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Only this time, Vader has grown in force ability and knowledge, isn't mentally reduced by his hatred, and is a master at using the environment to his advantage. Vader would look at Old Ben disapprovingly and merely flip over whatever he is standing on.
Registered: Sep 2005
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Because, he was mocking him. He wanted to do it blade to blade. If he had just blasted forth with fire and brimstone, crushing him into a pulpy mass, that's not showing him his lesson, he was talking down to him.
Registered: Oct 2004
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Jesus Christ man, let go of the fcuking force crush move from the other thread. Everytime you bring it up in you sarcastic adolescent demeanor, you give everyone more and more reason to believe you're a 12 year old with an inferiority complex. Drop it. You sound stupid.
But if Ben jumps onto the lava, Vader will still try to follow him, otherwise neither of them could win, and he *might* not make it. And if Vader tried to Force Push Kenobi off whatever he was standing on, they'd both die, as Kenobi could try and block it and they'd both end up flying back (like in the Mustafar Control room in ROTS).
In a duel I would give it to Vader, too, but he does have the disadvantage of being less acrobatic so he might not be able to jump around above the lava quite as easily as Ben. Which could be bad for him.
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: On cloud 9 in 7th heaven! I didn't
Its not that. Its that ever since Kadesh said that Vader's crush is instant, you've said it whenever Vader is mentioned and although in text, the underlying sarcasm is all too evident. It's like if you find out your girlfriend gave a lot of dudes head before you got together, anytime you might be arguing or around a guy, you might say, 'Well why don't you just give him head?" Not saying it to be serious, but saying it to be a dick. Same thing here.
Registered: Oct 2004
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Please show me when ANH Ben has shown the slightest ability to be acrobatic. He could barely walk through the dunes without almost stumbling and falling on his face.
He was walking fine through the desert. Kenobi likely isn't as acrobatic as he used to be, but he is still likely more acrobatic than a guy who has mechanical legs.
Registered: May 2005
Location: .::The Anti-Fanboy Confederation::.
Look at Yoda when he moves around with his walking stick....
Then look at Yoda fighting...
Really. Obviously older force users or such that suffered some physical damage (like Vader) do need the force to aid their movements more than younger once. Still. Look at Dooku in the PT. He's in his 80s and still far away from looking "old" during combat. I don't see, why Obi-Wan with 60 or Vader being in his 40s should be less acrobatic than Dooku. In fact there are serveral sources which do show Vader performing some rather artistic movements even when he's in his suit and I'm sure Obi-Wan would also be able to kick some major ass in that department.
Back to the topic:
ANH Vader would destroy ANH Obi-Wan. As far as I remember Obi-Wan even thinks himself that he can't defeat Vader (ANH novelization) and hence he basically "gives up" to ensure that Luke and his friends are able to escape. You just have to think about the statement of Lucas that Vader, even in his suit, is still 80 % as powerful as Sidious himself. Had Vader tried to kill Obi-Wan with the force in ANH the fight would have been far shorter imho.
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