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Greater? Not so sure. More? Yes.
Dooku has used lightning on many occasions, casually choked Quinlan, brought down Asajj with one finger, used the force to rid himself of poisonous spores, used the force to stop Grievous from dying, his force pushes have been compared to stone walls, and, he has even put Yoda through some stress when Yoda initially blocked Dooku's lightning.
Also, he had 70+ years of learning from either Yoda (the most powerful Jedi), or Sidious (the Granddaddy of all Sith), and probably learned more than would be expected in those decades, due to his lust for power and him being a prodigy (along with access to all sorts of Holocrons).
Dooku, also, despite being a gentleman, knows how to fight dirty when it is called for (the infamous "Kenobi chuck", breaking a students arm in a force competition as a Padawan, and having droids interfere when he Mace confronted him [same with Kenobi]).
Mace, however, has the physical, mental (thanks to Vaapad), and style (Vaapad is great against darksiders, and kinetic enough to challenge Dooku blade to blade, plus there is the semi-divine Shatterpoint ability) advantages over Dooku. Mace would win in a saber fight (he even beat Sidious), and his raw force powers (stopping hundreds of tons of debris in an avalanche) are enough to hold off Dooku's own, so that he could win in an all out fight. However, Dooku would win in a straight force fight, thanks to his versatility.
If this post has gotten too off topic, just skip the last paragraph, and it is all relative.
Also, for today: **** parallel sentence structure.
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Last edited by reborn_213 on May 12th, 2007 at 03:10 PM
Being able to school a handful of Sith minions is hardly such an extraordinary display that would even rank him remotely near to Count Dooku in power.
Yes, Kol destroyed seven untalented lackeys, which would've been wonderful had his fourteen year old son not be able to completely curbstomp one of them only using his "Foot of Fury".
I would be rather shocked if a Jedi master like Kol Skywalker wasn't able to defeat that many enemies, given he has many more years of training than his son, and Shado Vao (who both had only ten years of basic training, considering they were young padawans), who - even when outnumbered - managed to overwhelm their adversaries.
As I've made crystal clear before it's impressive, but certainly not overly so to the point where he can contend, or rather beat the top dogs of the prequel era. That's just a ludicrous assumption to make based on that feat alone. I can see that darthsith has acknowledged (termed loosely) they were "weak", but the point I'm making is then it's no reason to assert Kol can defeat Tyranus in a lightsaber match, much less an all out fight (where the ball is in Tyranus' corner, with his vast power and abilities of the Force).
Really, this battle isn't 'close' in the least bit, inasmuch as Count Dooku firmly takes all three.
I disagree completely. Show me where Kol has displayed powers on the level of Count Dooku. Show me where he's declared to be one of the strongest beings that Star Wars has ever known, or even one of the strongest Jedi. Indeed, show me where he has demonstrated the capabilities to withstand Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and then fend off a Jedi master of Yoda's caliber for an amount of time.
Get back to me once you turn on the power switch in your brain, and use it.
According to your personal hard-on for Kol Skywalker?
None go to Kol.
Yeah, a batch of non-Force sensitives accompanied an equally weak batch of Force sensitives, huzzah for Kol Skywalker and his posse. *rollseyes*
You're a little delusional here. The only "decent" fighting would be from Kol's end, as he's the one who's losing here. Of course, I'm giving him some leeway here in his powers, considering we know virtually nothing about his prowess in the Force (based on what we know, the third round wouldn't differ much from that of the duel on the Invisible Hand with Obi-Wan Kenobi).
Hardly. Labyrinth of Evil doesn't remark that he "often" had difficulty handling General Grievous, it actually says that "there had been moments", which is a huge leap backwards from "often" (insomuch as it implies he was constantly pushed near/to his upper limit). Even then, having trouble doesn't necessarily equate to fully exerting himself.
By the way, this numbers game you're playing is asinine to say the least. Grievous may not have killed a number of foes on the scale of Kol, but you have to take into account who said foes were. Kol Skywalker fought numerous makeshift Sith goons (who's powers are even less than elementary schooled padawans), Grievous defeated five powerful Jedi, including two Council members, as well as Aayla Secura. The difference in strength is comparable to that of a third degree black belt to a petty street thug.
Alright then. Since you know the source, providing a quote should be no problem.
For one, as Darth Subjekt has already given, Count Dooku was directly described by narration to be exactly "one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history", and then it goes on to note that he's "an even greater Sith". And even if I disregarded the quote, it's illogical to assume otherwise. The dark side of the Force is the path to power, which is why we see Anakin perform better when giving into his emotions (as well, the same case applies for his son, and Obi-Wan Kenobi). It's indisputable what the stronger side of the Force is, which would be Dark, not Light.
The statement was: "he has shown greater Force powers". Which is absolutely correct.
And as it stands, nothing suggests that Kol Skywalker possesses the capabilities to match Count Dooku's exceptional strength in the Force.
Oh, and for anyone who wants to play quote or feat wars (darthsith):
And I have plenty more ammunition in the bag.
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Last edited by Advent on May 12th, 2007 at 08:59 PM
I don't recall me suggesting otherwise. I stated that I disagreed with that, and then went on to essentially show why (in the form of the "show me this and that").
He doesn't "seem" any greater than Count Dooku whatsoever, which was the entire point. Your wording is largely irrelevant.
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At the moment, I believe they are incomparable. The sources are uneven, with everything going in Dooku's favour. We don't even know anything about the Sith Kol decimates in his last stand, yet Dooku's backstory is quickly being uncovered to rack in the money from enthusiastic fans.
Maybe in a few years, we will have a name and a backstory for each of those Sith Kol kills, and he might be comparable to Dooku, regardless of if he is stronger or not.
I will say this now in Kol's favour though, as weak a point as it is; he is a Skywalker.
This idle speculation is all good, and well, but it has no room in such a thread like this. Based on what we do know, Count Dooku takes the cake in all three matches (and there's no logical deduction or reasoning possible that would place him on par, or even above him).
If that's not a joke, you're a ****ing idiot.
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"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Sagacious Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn.
If you dish out the insults, you've got to be prepared to show some integrity kiddo.
Fact is, hardly anything is known about Kol Skywalker and if you really think the writers of the Legacy series are going to let an ancestor of one of pop cultures most iconic heroes, Luke, die a really underwhelming death with no show of that elusive Skywalker spirit, then you are very much mistaken.
One day, there will be a demand from fans to find out more about Kol Skywalker and the floodgates for OTT displays of manga-style NJO magic will have opened.
May 12th, 2007 03:46 AM
-Thats one of the funniest things i ever heard.
