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Infinity Being vs. Heart of the Universe/Infinite
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Galan007
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Originally posted by Nikkolas
That's what I said. smile

"The Infinity Gems were just part of itself."
But again,

There weren't Gems back then, just the IB's power, [the Gems didn't come until after his death].
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Marvel can't keep is origins straight.
I agree.


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HOTI with ease Ib being god was just some words slapped together by others. IB never showed power on the scale of the HOTI.


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Who created the Infinity Being....TOAA?


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i think the heart of the universe is THE HEART OF THE INFINITE BEING. so this is kinda paradoxica. ocourse, id say that the infinity being was slightly more than just the heart so the infinite being takes it. it was on about the same level as the original beyonder, the first creations to be created until about 2 or 3 years ago with all the omega and phoenix bullshit, not to mention huouse of M, roma the OMNIVERSAL guardian etc.

lol, kinda reminds me of micheal and lucifer from vertigo.

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Whatever, THOTU can still beat it fairly easily.


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According to the latest canon of THANOS QUEST, when Thanos is speaking to the Runner:



The Infinity Being was everything that existed, and it had no other. Everything that it created was already a part of itself. That is why it chose to end its existance.

After it committed suicide, the universes began to emerge from its death. The Infinity Gems were the last remnants of its power.

The IG is just a small piece of the IG being (NOT NEMISES)


King Kandy, you are unaware of the fact that Marvel has two versions of the Infinity Being.


The original Infinity Being is UNNAMED simply the personification of all existance (like the Presence of DC). Nothing else existed other than itself.

Nemises is a retconned version of the Infinity Being. Also Nemises is simply the being manifested when all 6 gems, plus the Ego Gem, are combined.

In the original version, the Infinity being is far more than just the Gems...the Gems only make up a portion of its existance and power.

Does that make sense now ?


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HOTI with ease Ib being god was just some words slapped together by others.

IB never showed power on the scale of the HOTI.


I'm not sure,

the IB created Marvel as we know it.

The IB created the IG, an artifact that can give you power "over all Realities"



On the other hand,



THOTI re-created the prime Multiverse at best, and absorbed the LT (the big feat)


Pound for pound, the IB's feat is greater.


Though my opinion still stands at Stalemate. smile


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Well you know what? IG is the power of TOAA.

I don't care WHAT you say, IB is NOT= To TOAA.


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Whatever, THOTU can still beat it fairly easily.
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Is that why the Gems were fully functional in the Ultraverse? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Infiniti was composed of the 7 original Infinity Gems -- Reality, Power, Soul, Mind, Space, Time, and the Dimensional (aka Ego).

If I remember the crossover correctly, Infiniti was near a space/rift that connected the 616 universe with the Ultraverse, hence the reality warping across 2 universes.

Eventually, the Dimension Gem was "eaten" by the other 6 Gems.

There is a possiblity that the Infinity Gauntlet is only universal.
Quasar said when fiering the Ultimate Nullifier that if he missed the universe would be flushed down the tube.

He also used to duplicate the universe with cosmic cube, so there were two 616 universes, it seems like the 616 gem's only works in the 616th universe as well.

Should be put up to debate, not tonight though, I have some scan's backing this statement up as well.


Read the first post, the ego gem was what connected the Ultraverse and the 616th universe.
And there were more than one infinite being, obviously since there are more than 7 infinity gems in the Multiverse, for instance the once Impossible man used.

Besides it have been stated many times over and over again, that it had universal power a couple of times in the Illuminati.

I will open a topic explainig my case when I get to my CPU tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Galan007
no

yes

Please do not tell me IB equals TOAA. That is Bullshit.


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yes

Please do not tell me IB equals TOAA. That is Bullshit.




That's what I want to know....where was TOAA when the IB created everything? I thought TOAA to be the Supreme Being in Marvel...so, now there are two Supreme Beings?

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Well maybe the IB just created one multiverse/megaverse, and there are tons of those in Marvel, and TOAA created all of them altogether.


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The Legend of the Infinity Being from Thanos Quest is far more impressive than the mythology behind the Heart of Infinity.


However, the legend is...a legend, as it has not been confirmed, only narrated through Thanos' lips.

However, this is information that Thanos gathered from Mistress Death's Infinity Well, a fountain of cosmic knowledge, so I doubt he lied about it.



If the Legend is Truth, then the Infinity Being is the true creator of Marvel's existance, as Marvel's entirety is simply a result of the death of this omnipotent being.

TOAA can simply be the highest aspect of this Infinity Being, who knows...


JUST REMEMBER:



1) the Infinity Being had NO OTHER...all of existance was already a part of itself...it had no other, it was completely alone


2) The Infinity Gems are only a remaining ASPECT of the Infinity Being's Power, NOT the entirely of the Infinity Being itself


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Well maybe IB created all of the Marvel omniverse, but TOAA is responsible for marvel COMICS.


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Originally posted by Goddess Kali

2) The Infinity Gems are only a remaining ASPECT of the Infinity Being's Power, NOT the entirely of the Infinity Being itself

Each gem is an aspect together they would call forth Nemessis, IB.

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i read sumthing a while back. in the very beginning, TOAA created the beyonder in the beyond realm, and the infinite being. those were the first and greatest creations. the infinite being eventually got lonely, committed suicide, and created all things that exist in the marvel omniverse other than the beyond realm.

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i read sumthing a while back. in the very beginning, TOAA created the beyonder in the beyond realm, and the infinite being. those were the first and greatest creations. the infinite being eventually got lonely, committed suicide, and created all things that exist in the marvel omniverse other than the beyond realm.

It was never stated that TOAA created the Beyonder, fact is, TOAA wasent even introduced in the Secret Wars, that's why Beyonder was supreme.

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thas why i said i read SUMTHIN a while back. i dont exactly remember what{i thin it was after secret wars} but it seemed to elaborate on the origins of marvel. ofcourse, just wait till GS gets in here{if he still posts here, ive been away from the comic book forum for too long} and tries to turn the whole thing on its head. oh that reminds me, have been there been any new ridiculous posters in the time i was away????

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and no, even beyonder wasnt supreme, there was this one shaman type guy who lived in some wood{this is at around the time of secret wars}, beast like/worhshipping spirit kinda guy. and when beyonder tried to do sumthin to the forest, he called upon some mysterios powers of the universe and was able to repel him{with beyonder having full power} and stop him, either that or beyonder was trying to destroy the world and he stopped him, being a shaman/protector or whatever. but i dont remember that well, it was LONG ago.

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