ppl think the watchers r comparable to the celestial, because they had a war along time ago, but ur forgetting that there r millions of watchers, ONE watcher wont be enough.
well with Kang's tech that year could be a eternity with his time manipulation. I think Kang could get futuristic tech, Uatu gets alien tech, Doom brings his magic, and Batman bring his.... utility belt. Plus they could use Apocalypse's celestial tech and dissect it to better understand what the Celestials are using.
I have never read him doing so, and it doesn't really change the facts that the entire earth Pantheon had thousand years to prepare for the attack from the 4fth host, there most brilliant device was then reduced to slag I have a really hard time seeing how this team is going to defeat the fourth Celestial host.
Ok lets do math. Doom is smart enough to take out a whole entire pantheon. Doom is smart enough to steal Galactuses power. Whats more powerful Galactus or a Celestial? I was under the impression that Galactus was more powerful than one Celestial or at the least has the same power as one Celestial. Not only that Doom has temporarily defeated The Beyonder and Beyonder was more powerful than Galactus.
How mant Celestials in the 4th Celestial Host? Nine. OK Doom is smart enough to beat one Celestial, down to 8. Uatu is smart enough to beat one Celestial down to 7.
Wait a second arent there like 6 other people there who are just as smart as Doom or almost? Doesnt one of them already have Celestial tech? Couldnt Uatu and Doom find a way to use that tech againt the other Celestials? Yes they can. Looking at what Doom can achieve on his own and considering the smarts and powers of the others makes them more dangerous than the entire earth pantheon.
The Celestials are going down.
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Last edited by Deadline on Nov 9th, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Of cause he does but that isn't just the power of Galactus he is using there, its a watches machinery a Cosmic Cube and the device that powers the terrigian mist, are you in you prep including that he suddenly has access to all those items and at the same time just happends to know where Galactus is?
Correcting he is strong enough to take them on. And Galactus just as normally is dumb as a cow. And it's correct that Galactus is more powerful then a Celestial but Doom usurped Galactus power but Galactus got them back again, that means that Doom must wait until the actual battle startes to get Galactus power and if we disclude the normal CIS from Galactus then there is no chance for Doom to steal the power of Galactus, unless tech that Doom has suddenly > PC used to full extent.
I thought you said that Uatu couldn't get involved in the fight, and if they knew a way to defeat the Celestials don't you think that Uatu who makes a habit out of breaking his oath would have explained to Reed who such a machine can be constructed.
And yet none of them haven't prep anything near the scall of Doom (as you showed above) so to say that because they are just as inteligent ore more means that they are just as good at prep as Doom???
Use Apocalypses tech against the Celestials it's the same as saying that with the Power Cosmic from Surfer you can defeat Galactus.
The entire Earth Pantheon infused a part of there power into the destroyer armor and it ended up as slag, This team will try to come up with something along that line to. A device that will somehow be capable of disturbing the armor of the Celestial thus sending them back to the energy based form. But there is no guenrantee that it will work against the Celestials it isn't like they have a Celestial standing they can try different attacks on, the only one they have to give them information concerning the Celestials is Uatu and what Uatu knows about the Celestials is that they are basically undefeatable.
sorry for the wrong spelling pressed reply instead of spellcheck.
the only way Dr Doom can win is if he steals one of the celestials powers, and that will be alot harder then stealing galactus' power because the celestials are in numbers
I dont see what the problem is here. The scans show that Doom is smart enough to obtain these items...thats the point.
Yes I know he got them back, but the fact that Doom was able to take the power from a being more powerful than a Celestial means he is at least smart enough to use prep to beat at least 1 Celestial.
I think CIS is allowed in debates but even if that were included Doom hs outsmarted other powerful beings as well.
Well lets put it this way...is a watcher powerful enough to take on a Celestial, because if they are that means they should know a way to beat Celestals. Hell Uatu may not have told Reed how to beat the Celestials but looking at there powerset they should know how. Thats like saying that eventhough Cap can beat Spiderman he cant think of way how to beat him. Hell didnt the Celestials actually have to "power up" to beat the Watchers?
I never said smarter than Doom its just some of them seem just as smart. The Master doesnt have prep showings as good as Doom but some of his showings are just as good as Doom and some of them seem better, same could be said for the others. Overall though Doom has the highest. To be fair looking at how Doom defeat Big G in Secret Wars isnt anything that The Master, Batman, Promothues or Apoaclypse could do furthermore lets look at how Dr Doom beat Big G one time:
Cosmic cube. Didnt AIM create the cosmic cube. Whats stopping any of the other from obtaining a cosmic cube?
Terrigen Mist. Whats stopping any of the others from gaining Terrigen mist. Hell didnt Apoc beat all of the Inhumans once?
Watchers tech. Hell Uatu is helping them.
No not if you have the others and Uatu helping you.
How are they undeaftable when Doom has beaten people more powerful than The Celestials? How are they undeaftable when Thanos has taken control of the whole uiniverse. Yes I know Thanos isnt on the team but something tells me that my team could beat Thanos.
How are they unddeaftable when they had to prep thousands of years to beat the Watchers? If you are powerful enough to make an opponent prep that means they are not invincible.
G is more powerful than a Celestial.
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Nov 7th, 2007 05:44 AM
I have a really hard time seeing how this team is going to defeat the fourth Celestial host.
