If writer's think that a furious Spiderman (with class 40 strength) can ko Firelord after a series of a few hits then why don't you think Superman can do it in one hit since he is more than a billion times stronger and more than a billion times faster (speed and strength adds up don't it?). Now energy durability isn't the same as physical durability. And writer's show that Firelords physical durability sucks.
Also, I've seen a scan here of even Captain America seriously putting a hurting on Terrax with some fine kicks and a shield thrust into his head with all his might. Now the shield might be sharp and indestructible but it was still Caps 1-5 ton strength helping a lot. Note: Not responding to a peak human's speed tells you about Terrax's reaction speed as well (it sucks!).
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I think that you are using PIS and low showings to make a point. Superman has been hurt by far less people than Either Terrax or Firelord. Hell he's constantly having problems with METALLO. Toyman. To name a few. Superman had problems fighting the boy cheetah once. In the end, These two are both heralds, and even if they are below him in power, they aren't so low that he would be able to steam roll either one in a 1v1. So I dont' think he can beat them 2v1. IMO.
Not true. PIS only applies when a character's entire history contradicts that moment(s). There is no proof whatsoever that Firelord has the reflexes, nor battle speed, nor durability to be able to not lose from one single fast punch of Superman (even if you use the best of their feats as the truth). While there is plenty of proof showing that Superman shouldn't have any problems with the boy cheetah, toyman, and such and thus rendering those instances as PIS. If Firelord being koed by spiderman is a low showing then it is astronomically weaker than what Superman can do in a nanosecond. So I don't think (especially without proof) that Firelord can withstand and respond to a mighty fast Superman punch.
True, these heralds are not too far in power behind Superman. But you should know that power has no bearing on speed. One can has all the power in the world (except speed) and yet easily lose to someone who has the speed.
Speed rules all (even those with the power to destroy a universe).
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*Sighs* Superman isn't overly faster than any herald. Not by so much that you think he can steam roll two of them. And since when does it make sense that Firelord can with stand the rigors of interstellar space travel, and yet get knocked out by spiderman. Do you know what space travel would do to someone like spiderman? The speed alone with leave him scattered across the cosmos.
Battle speed is not traveling speed. And yes Superman is overly faster than any herald in terms of battle speed and instant acceleration. I'm sure you will agree that he is at least fast enough to land the first blow (or couple of blows) against any herald. This is all it takes here. I've never seen Firelord with the battle speed to even stop someone like Superman from even hitting them first. And this stuff is not real science. Hell, even batman survived the vacuum of space for a while without blowing up or freezing or burning up.
So I disagree with the notion that one needs mega physical durability to survive intstellar travel in comics. Now surviving the cosmic rays in space is called energy durability and not physical. And know that Space hardly has any friction in it. So traveling fast in it only requires one to survive the mere vacuum motionless. And surviving the absence of pressure in space only requires one to be somewhat durable with no building pressure on the inside of them. Since those who can survive the vacuum of space are either alien or very durable then it is understood that its possible for them.
So again, Firelord surviving a trillion ton punch without being koed just sounds ridiculous. Thor is nowhere as strong as Superman and he can f**K SS with a good hammer blow. And SS is more durable than Firelord. If one punch from Superman isn't enough then certainly Superman can tag on a few more trillion ton punches in nanoseconds. And writers think that Superman is strong enough to jar Juggernaut. What do you think they think Superman can do to firelord? Writer's intentions plays a good part in things here. It is clear from all the writers of firelord and Superman that firelord is paper to Superman's fists.
Afterwards, Terrax wouldn't have blinked once before his partner is koed. If I see that Firelord can take a physical strike near the level of Superman then I would totally agree with you. Because I don't see any defense against the beginning onslaught of Superman against Firelord.
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Do I need to give you a lesson in science? There are millions of free floating particles in space. Moving at light speed would make each one of those free floating particles, no matter how small,deadly. That is why on the star trek enterprise ship, they have a device that sweeps thier path of any particles before they move. You never see it, but it's there. The smallest particle would breach thier hull. you know the ultra durable hulls that survive energy blast when thier ships shields are down. And Thor's hammer likely hits harder than Superman can hit. Enchanted hammer>>invulnerable fist.
These are comics. Batman can survive the vacuum of space for awhile without burning up, freezing into a block, or even exploding. So real science goes out the window. The writers know how durable Firelord is to physical strikes. They have the final say so and not real science. Them (the writers) deciding to let Spiderman ko him and them never showing elsewhere that this is a contradiction is them really giving their opinion on how physically durable Firelord is.
Fact1: It has never been shown that Firelord's durability and reflexes are not on par to withstand Superman's first strike. Thus saying he can because of small particles in space in invalid.
Fact2: Thor's hammer is not enchanted to hit hard. It's enchanted to control weather, flight, etc. Thor's strength along with the hammer's durability is what causes it to hit hard. And Superman's fists hits much harder than Thor's hammer. I'm sure you know the feats.
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ARE YOU SERIOUS? COMICS talk about the rigors of space travel all of the time. That is why the GL's put thier teammates in bubbles.
ANd yes Thor's hammer hits harder than Superman's fist becuz it's INDESTUCTIBLE, and it's magical. ANd if you don't think it's enchanted to hit harder, You well pay attention to Odin the creator who says that NO ONE can survive a hit from Mjoirnir while he Wields it. The hammer itself is made to hit harder.
OMG, I can tell you know nothing of comics. You know who beta ray bill is, beta ray bill on panel has one shotted a planet, show me a scan of superman on shotting a planet with his fist. Thor hammer packs more of a whallop.
2. Firelord or terrax alone has the ability to beat superman, might not be for a majority, maybe 4/10 but they could get some wins. If they use there powers right, the probably could get a majority.
3rd, you do know that firelord has the ability to A).go waay faster than the speed of light and B). control all spectrums of sunlight. Dont superman have a weakness to redsunlight. The output of red sunlight that firelord might dish out would be enormous.
Superman loses this 10/10. Damn, even silver surfer could lose this 8or9/10.
Yet many who can survive in space can't survive a bullet nor a hit from Superman. So neither surviving in space nor traveling high speed in space equals surviving a punch from Superman (or a bullet) as far as comics go. Nowhere close.
The hammer is not literally INDESTRUCTIBLE. For it has been damaged and destroyed multiple times. Do you know what hypebole is? Do you know what lies are? You know better than to believe anything someone says in comics (especially when the contrary can be found there). If Odin is right then why has a billion beings survived direct unholding back hits from Thor's hammer. NO ONE my foot! Their is no proof that the hammer is enchanted to make one hit harder than what their natural strength would allow. Thus it can't be accepted.
If writers had Spiderman ko Firelord then what do you think would happen if Thing pounds on him. Superman is astronomically stronger and faster (battlewise). Superman koes Firelord in a nanosecond with only 1 millionth of his strength (which is still over 1000tons which is over Thing). And then he fights Terrax for the very easy win. There's plenty of proof of this. You provided 0 proof that Firelord can not only survive a punch from Superman but react to one as well. You don't even acknowledge that at least Superman could ko him (instead of kill him).
Yes it is rape allright. And Superman is going to be the one doing it.
Neither Firelord nor Terrax can beat Superman any times out of infinity.
This means that it is impossible for them to even win once. Terrax can't even react to peak human speed and gets hurt by beings like Captain America. Firelord has neither shown that he is durable enough to even withstand a Thing's level punch nor be able to react to the mere speed of a bullet. You guys are killing me with this nonsense you are spitting out. This is one of the easiest battles Superman can have without being obvious spite. Otherwise, you are saying Firelord and Terrax can both survive or not be koed by a quadrillion ton punch to the head in less than a nanosecond when they have been shown to be hurt by astronomically smaller forces.
And lastly, If BetaRay actually oneshotted a planet with only a mere hammer strike then it is clearly PIS by definition. Do you know the definition of what PIS?
Sentry is weaker than the weakest John Bryne Superman IMO.
Ironman busted his nose, Playful and gentle Hulk hurt him with a hug,
he couldn't handle a hellicarrier, etc.
Firelord couldn't even stand up to an outraged 25-40ton Spiderman. Superman is over a trillion times stronger and faster. How would Firelord be able to react to Superman let alone take a hit from him?
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We are talking about punching power. Thor's hammer was coming on a down swing while in Thor's hand. Not the same as When Thor threw the hammer and knocked blood from Superman's mouth. KKthanks, Gnite.
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OMG, I can tell you know nothing of comics. You know who beta ray bill is, beta ray bill on panel has one shotted a planet, show me a scan of superman on shotting a planet with his fist. Thor hammer packs more of a whallop.
