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Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually there's the actual Toaa/god (writer/artist) ... in Marvel heaven,
then there's Toaa/god withIN the Omniverse (what Thanos became with THOTI)
THOTI's power was refered to as the "Almighty" "Him" "Surpeme power" "God" "Supreme will"
and on and on,
yet,
Thanos was always just a drawing on a piece of paper to Toaa/god in Marvel heaven.

THOTI is really just a manifestation of Toaa/god's power (similar to an avatar)
because it makes one essentially the Supreme Being withIN
the created and drawn Omniverse of the "Creators" (Toaa/god - writer/artist)

Toaa/god (writer/artist) are inconsequential as far as categorization is concerned.
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I'd say they're saying that within the right hands,
the IG can make one Supreme being withIN the Marvel Universe .. which is everything.


Can you clarify this?

Is there like Two Supreme beings? TOAA the write/artist and
within the comic a supreme being that's realistic to the characters within the comic?


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Originally posted by King Kandy
But the problem here, is that Warlock also considered himself TOAA's equal... So it's not unreasonable for him to think Eternity w/ the IG would feel the same way.


I don't remember ever coming across that statement or allusion,
can you tell me where this took place K.


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I don't remember ever coming across that statement or allusion,
can you tell me where this took place K.

The same issue... Eternity was going on about how LT represented TOAA and Warlock said that TOAA's power was a "Baseless assertion" or something like that, and when LT latr said that he represented forces that were > Warlock, Warlock disbelieved him.

But I think that on the second-third page he said that TOAA being > IG was a baselsss assertion.


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Originally posted by SpiderGauntlet
Can you clarify this?

Is there like Two Supreme beings? TOAA the write/artist and
within the comic a supreme being that's realistic to the characters within the comic?


Toaa/god (is an avatar) a combination of the "artists" & "writers" of Marvel.
They think up ideas and draw them on paper which later become Marvel comic books.
The stories in these comic books take place withIN the Omniverse (the Marvel playground)
Toaa/god is located in Marvel "heaven" which is located beyond the Omniverse,
from "heaven" Toaa/god create everything that takes place in Marvel,
and just like real Human beings,
Toaa/god doesn't know what's coming next until they create and draw it on panel.

THOTI is basically what Toaa/god would be,
if they/he manifested withIN the Omniverse. (basically the Supreme Being)

So while THOTI makes one the Supreme Being of the Omniverse,
the Omniverse itself, aswell as THOTI, Thanos and everything else,
are just drawing on a piece of paper to the Toaa/god (avatar of the writers/artists)


This is why I said earlier,
Toaa/god (writer/artist) is inconsequential in terms of clasification and/or categorization.


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Adam thought he was invincible with the IG didn't he?


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Originally posted by King Kandy
The same issue... Eternity was going on about how LT represented TOAA and Warlock said that TOAA's power was a "Baseless assertion" or something like that,


Warlock didn't say that.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
and when LT latr said that he represented forces that were > Warlock,
Warlock disbelieved him.


Which is funny cause the LT with a gesture had just shunted Warlock's furious attack.

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Originally posted by King Kandy
But I think that on the second-third page
he said that TOAA being > IG was a baselsss assertion. [/B]


Actually this is what happened.


Warlock only said,
it was hard to believe that the LT represented power greater than Eternity's and his:

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But LT proved himself 2 pages later:

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That's when the LT stated,
he represented forces that dwarf Warlock's might,

Warlock replied with "another assertion yet to be proven"

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Evidently proven ... as Warlock later admitted:

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wow, Warlock is pretty damned cool... if a tad insolent.


how is it that Warlock is that powerful?
is he above the gods/demons that Strange gets his favours from?


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wow, Warlock is pretty damned cool... if a tad insolent.


how is it that Warlock is that powerful?
is he above the gods/demons that Strange gets his favours from?


That's when Warlock was the wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet,
he became "god" beneath the LT:

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Mr.Master is pro :O


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yay or nay on tiamut mr. master(they listen to you), this has gone on for long enough --- hint tiamut


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Originally posted by Mr Master
The more powerful the being, the more impressive the IG becomes.

This is why at one point Warlock stated,
that perhaps Eternity with the IG would defy the LT's authority:

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Eternity would've gained "absolute power" (enough to possibly view Toaa as an equal)

Of course,
we don't know if that would've been possible, but it's an interesting observation.
Because we know Warlock surely couldn't.

Warlock thought he had absolute power when he said that to Eternity, he didn't actually mean that Eternity would be TOAA's equal. The IG with Spider-Man would be the same as the IG with Eternity because the IG grants the same powers.


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Well maybe in power wise that's true but with somebody like Spider-Man mind it would overwhelm him because like with Thanos he was not ready or really wanting the power that's why Nebula was able to still the gauntlet. Thanos beat himself and lost the IG by being careless


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Tiamut/Gauntlet for the win

I tend to agree with some of the posters here, a greater understanding of reality ,physics ,space and time etc...would definetly make a better more experienced weilder of the gauntlet, so yes a abstract would be a more powerfull opponent


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Originally posted by golem370
Well maybe in power wise that's true but with somebody like Spider-Man mind it would overwhelm him because like with Thanos he was not ready or really wanting the power that's why Nebula was able to still the gauntlet. Thanos beat himself and lost the IG by being careless

The IG grants omniscience and with omniscience one would know how to not be overwhelmed. Thanos beating himself has to do with his character, but it also served as a plot device that furthered the IG series.

LT would still win.


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I doubt the glove would even fit Tiamut's finger. shifty

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Well I said anybody else besides imo LT could stop him but what about Phoenix Force & Goblin Force or the Infinites I just wondering


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Well I said anybody else besides imo LT could stop him but what about Phoenix Force & Goblin Force or the Infinites I just wondering

But my point was that it doesn't matter who has the IG because the IG grants the same power which includes omniscience.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
Warlock didn't say that.



Which is funny cause the LT with a gesture had just shunted Warlock's furious attack.



Actually this is what happened.


Warlock only said,
it was hard to believe that the LT represented power greater than Eternity's and his:

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....................................................................................



But LT proved himself 2 pages later:

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That's when the LT stated,
he represented forces that dwarf Warlock's might,

Warlock replied with "another assertion yet to be proven"

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Evidently proven ... as Warlock later admitted:

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Well he at the time first said that he found it hard to believe, and later that it had "Yet to be proven"...

So He clearly at the time considered himself to be around LT/TOAA... And he said Eternity would feel the same way. Well if Warlock feels that way, it's easy to tell how he doesn't mean that Eternity w/ IG would be above a regular IG user.


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Originally posted by King Kandy
Well he at the time first said that he found it hard to believe, and later that it had "Yet to be proven"...

So He clearly at the time considered himself to be around LT/TOAA... And he said Eternity would feel the same way. Well if Warlock feels that way, it's easy to tell how he doesn't mean that Eternity w/ IG would be above a regular IG user.

I disagree K,
Warlock always knew he was below the LT:

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The reason Warlock was defiant at first, was to give us a story,
because as he said, he's trapped by his destiny.
But he always knew he'd submit, like he always knew the LT was above him:

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Now in Eternity's case,
I believe Warlock meant at the very least that Eternity with the IG,
would possibly consider the power the LT represents an equal.

Of course Warlock meant the LT himself, not Toaa/god,
for the LT is the power that the LT represents.
The LT is acting on authority of Toaa/god (as the LT stated)
so when the LT said, "I represnt forces that dwarf even your might"
the LT was talking about himself, since he is the representitive of said forces.

Toaa/god never interferes in the stories,
why should he/they, for he/they themselves create the stories.
That's what the LT is for, to interfere on behalf of Toaa/god.


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