Acutally the apprentice brings down the SD with TK. I heard it on one of the TUF videos around. And they have basically said that no one has ever used the force like the SA, he's Vader's ultimate experiment with the force.
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And the wounded Malak easily tooled Bastilla Shan?
It is 100% clear from the cutscene in the KOTOR that the Bastilla's Light Saber got deflected by Malak's armor actually.
Now what do you think would have happened, if the Light Saber had penetrated Malak's armor? Would he be still active enough to charge towards Bastilla Shan?
From the G-canon sources, it is already clear that even a single cut from the Light Saber can immobilize a Jedi. Consider AOTC movie as an example.
I know that Vader is good with the saber. So what is the point of raising this issue?
And Malak is also capable of using the force to perform telekinetical strikes with his Light Saber. He has demonstrated this ability in a cutscene of the KOTOR, killing a Jedi in the process.
And not to forget that his Light Saber is bigger than the standard ones, which is also an advantage.
I have said before and I will say it again, that both these Sith Lords are capable enough to harm each other with the Force.
And unlike that thug, Malak is a powerful Force user, who can defend himself against several kinds of Force attacks.
Onasi relies on guns to fight his enemies and his skills as a soldier are exceptional. He managed to fire on Malak within a couple of seconds with both of his guns, which is impressive. But Malak was so skilled that he easily deflected his fire from his Light Saber and Force stunned him, within 3 seconds.
Bastilla Shan might not be among the elite, but she was still among the best of her age. I have yet to see a single source, in which it has been stated that Bastilla Shan was not a capable fighter.
And add Revan in to the equation, you get 3 vs 1 scenario, which is unfair in logical sense, but Malak still won without the aid of any external help.
Greater than Malak in some regards is more correct term. A Sith Lord, who is capable of unleashing powerful force attacks and control a huge artifact like Star Forge, cannot be any less of a warrior than Vader.
What empowerment do you speak of? I have told you before that it was only in the final battle, that he used the Star Forge for aid. Before that, there was no such external help and he relied on his own skills.
You want to see an example of Star Forge directly empowering a Sith? Than keep in mind, the Bastilla Shan vs Revan encounter on the Star Forge.
I have always praised OT Vader's skill with the Force. Hence, I used the term "although a master of the dark side."
What Drain will do, is weaken Vader gradually during the duel by sucking his energy out. And Malak would be feeding on those energies as a result, which will help him in remaining active and not tire out, like Dooku did.
And Light Saber is not always useful for blocking very powerful Force Lightning attacks.
Yes! Both Malak and Vader are vulnerable to TK attacks.
And my conclusion is that both these Sith Lords are a big threat to each other.
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Uh you do know the lightsaber that malak hurled at a jedi in the starforge? Did that jedi appear to have been wounded as well? Does that mean his robes are saber resistant too? How come i don't see him being decapitated?
Again you must also consider the fact that games back then are not as detailed as todays DX10 games. What i'm saying is that the game itself is not advance to a point where it would show small details like cuts or wounds so weather or not malaks armour really IS lightsaber resistant has yet to be stated by any other out of universe external sources.
Vader had his arm hacked of and yet he still could pick up a lightsaber to attempt to kill the 3 remaining jedi. What would have happened? That he would have gotten wounded? Whats there to say bastila threw her lightsaber with enough force to even decapitate her opponent?
See the above.
But to an extent where it seemingly creates a shield around you which killed a a group of storm troopers with one hit?
So?
So can vader for that matter.
Wow malak deflected onai's shots then stuns him, that means he is a super warrior. I guess vader is god that he could deflect dozens of blaster fire while at the same time using TK to bend and alter their direction, catch a bolt ,turn it into raw energy and sent it flying back at the stormtrooper with enough force to completely rip his head off. Thats far more impressive than malak deflecting onasi bolts.
Ok.
Yet he lost despite being empowered later on by the SF. Maybe theres also the possibilities that revan couldn't come to accept his true identidy and was at great grief which could have effected his performance tremendously.
I would say most, such as showing incredible force mastery by ripping out entire bridges and using it as missles or choking an opponent millions of lightyears away.
Uh the starforge was amplifying his powers all along as vjun did to dooku.
immediately prior to his defeat at the hands of Revan, Malak attempted to harness a heretofore ignored property of the Star Forge. Using Jedi captured from the destroyed enclave on Dantooine, Malak was able to incorporate them into the Star Forge itself, which was seemingly capable of harnessing the power of Force-sensitives and channeling the power into a particular subject – in this case, Malak himself. The Jedi in the Star Forge were unable to become one with the Force while in this state, and Malak could use the energy inside the nearly lifeless bodies to regain his strength. The drained Jedi were apparently killed in the process. Revan sabotaged the system during his battle with Malak on the Star Forge Viewing Platform and it was subsequently destroyed along with the rest of the Star Forge.
See the above please.
Ok, at least you don't downplay vader.
Right, it will drain vader easily despite vader being nearly as powerful as the most powerful sith lord whom because of his connection the force has defences and very high natural resistance.
The stronger the opponent, the higher his resistance to such techniques.
Again this has only been demonstrated on captive jedi in stasis, if this technique was so powerful it would have killed revan would it not?
Then whats up with "Revan can block emerald lightning with a lightsaber"?
Again how is malaks lightning that powerful without the aid of the star forge?
The thing is, both characters are extremely unique in their sense of fighting techniques. Malak is an assassin, which uses the force to strike from the shadows, and take his enemy by suprise (as proven at the betrayal of Revan). However, Darth Vadar is an extremely blunt type of fighter- he's one that would prefer to charge in head first with force powers to cripple his enemies. Really, the only thing that would make a difference between one wining and one losing is chance:
If Malak was able to sneak up upon Vadar, then I would say Malak would win.
If Vadar had Malak in his sights, Vadar would win.
As I said it's all about chance.
Malak is not an assassin and the fact that he took Revan by surprise (because of the jedi strike team) does not support the idea that he is an assassin all he did was take advantage of the situation.
'Kay, I'd like to know which version of KotOR you play. Malak is a 7 foot tall monster. Brutal and efficient is how HK-47 desribed him. No assassin would obliterate a planet from orbit, something Malak's quite proficient at. He's no assassin, just a backstabber (i.e. a Sith).
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'Cuz you know, Malak would easily be Force-choked. And there's no way in Hell his lightning would do anything to Vader's incredibly durable system.
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Does Malak even have a throat? 'Cuz if he doesn't then Force chokes kind of a waste of time. Damn, If only I remember what he looks like without his metal jaw.
true seeing as how vader was trained by siddious who had a way more rigorous training style and was the most powerful sith in history of whom vader was about 80% as powerful.
but getting to the points
1) vader can choke malak without lifting a finger so malak wont be aware of it until it's too late
2) i think after 20 years of sith training vader knows how to counter lightening (with his saber possibly)
3) malak is less likely (from seeing him work in the game) to use lightning as oppose to whipping out his blade and trying to batter his opposition down.
this strategy wont work against vader as he can do what he did to luke in ESB which is take the force and fling things at malak, knocking off his jaw and embrasing him then beheading him.
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True, Malak's a brute. Unless he notices how frail Vader's system might be, he'll likely go charging in and get done out by Vader. But I don't think the Choke would be as effective as you think. I feel pretty confident in giving Malak a chance that he can dissipate the effect.
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Correct, a mere choke won't simply kill malak that easily because it takes time to actually kill so vader would actually need to start using devastating attacks like force crush and TK.
Likely. Vader feels like he has more patience, use Malak's jackassary against him.
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That won't work too well against Malak. He's already fallen. Most he could do is try to distract him, but as he doesn't know anything about Malak's personal life, Dun Moch won't work well against a Sith Lord.
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