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I'm going to disagree there...because Superman's possess his high senses...it's part of his Kryptonian Physiology. He won't be a normal human.
Even if Neo could re-write the Matrix world. This wouldn't be a challenge for Superman. For he has had experience with villains that can alter reality and still capable of fighting back.
A good dilema here would be if the Matrix Sun would empower Superman's body.
Outside of the Matrix, everyone is just a normal human. Period. Even if they're a weird alien inside the Matrix. There's really no exceptions to this at all. Neo is the one and only exception to this and, as I said, it wasn't meant to happen.
Even IF Superman were able to leave the Matrix which is why he has superpowers in it to begin with, in the Real he would be 100% normal human. Neo has some powers in the Real, but it's mostly over machines, so what it'd come down to would be a brawl between two weak skinny guys who were immobile the majority of their lives.
Alter reality? How about recode things to be made up of kryptonite?
Really, this is basic Matrix stuff. You can't just say "but I disagree!" because it doesn't work that way.
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Hold on...
One thing at a time.
In the Matrix, we only saw humans been altered by the Matrix world. It was never clarify if beings from other worlds would be affected. As I said Kryptonians have very unique physiology once they're powered by a sun. It enhances their abilities to fight.
Which brings this to your sun isn't real comment. If the things in the Matrix aren't real...then by all means the kryptonite won't affect Superman. Since it's not the real thing.
The ONLY people that exist in the Matrix fall under two categories.
1) Programs (and generally if you can see the program, it's an Exile)
and
2) Bluepills. AKA, a person who in the Real is sleeping and acting as a battery and living out life in the Matrix as though everything is normal, because they believe it is and do not realize it's all a computer simulation.
There are also the redpills, those who left the Matrix, but I don't really count them in this because they're in the Real more often than not, and there's very few of them.
There are no other worlds and thus no people from other worlds - hell we don't even know if there are any cities other than the main one shown in the movies. Thus all of Superman's powers would have been programmed for him to have. However, while it may not actually be real, if you've ever actually watched the Matrix you'll have heard the quote "your mind makes it real" several times. A weakness is still a weakness, because you believe that it is real which thus causes it to effect you.
For example: In the first movie, Neo died when he was shot by Smith. He died in the Real from the wounds, because while it wasn't actually real, his mind believed that it was and thus the wounds transfered to his real body. Of course, he didn't stay dead, but that was simply because he became the One.
In Reloaded, Trinity was shot and died at the end. Her body in the Real had died because, same as above, her mind made it real and thus caused the wounds to transfer over. Neo was able to save her by altering her code in the Matrix.
See? Kryptonite in the Matrix, while not actually being real, would still effect Superman.
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Lana, I appreciate talking to you and giving me your time. But I won't be feeling comfortable debating with you and have AC around. He has pull this shit before when I was talking to Backfire.
Sorry for leaving this hanging. PM and we'll have a nice discussion. It's always good talking to you. Thanks...chat later.
It would affect Superman because it being his weakness is written into his identity in the Matrix, just like all his abilities.
If we are to assume the Matrix is real, and that's why Neo exists to fight Superman in the first place, then everything is under his control. There is literally nothing Superman could do. Neo could turn his skin into kryptonite if he wanted to.
Superman, therefore, cannot be Superman outside the Matrix, because he'd be a program.
I can see this zooming over your head.
EDIT: Shame that. Admitting defeat would honestly be the better part of valour.
Considering all the discussion above, I think who'd win would be decided by the setting in which this battle would take place
- Within the DC Universe: If Neo were to have all of his "superhero" abilities just as any other superhero, Superman would totally own his ass, he wouldn't be as powerful as Superman. While being strong, he's not as strong ... if he were to alter reality, maybe he'd put up a fight, or he could resort to Kriptonite ... but still Superman wins
- Inside the Matrix: Neo wins, everything was accurately explained by Lana... enough said.
- In the real World (where there's no such thing as "Super power"... or Aliens): Boring fight between a buff guy and a skinny guy (who may know Kung Fu)... don't care who wins
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Superman would have no flight capabilities or super strength in the matrix. With training, he might be able to become as agile and powerful as Trinity and morpheus, but nothing more. Virtual sun and virtual gravity are just that, virtual.
I would say Neo is more powerful than Superman is in his respective environment. Even if these two would be able to fight while each are in their prime states outside of the matrix, i think Neo would have a chance. if we disregard the lack of energy sources for superman and allow him to have his abilities while inside the matrix, he still loses. As AC said, Neo is essentially God of the matrix.
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I think you're confused. Go back and read what some of the other guys said.
Superman still has all his powers in the Matrix. He would be far superior to people like Morpheus and Trinity. Neo is an exception because he is The One. Also, I'm sure Smith could beat Superman by assimiliating him.
Also, anyone outside of the matrix is just a normal person, except for Neo who can control the machines due to his connection with the source.
Now, onto the part about how Neo is "god" of matrix, I would have to disagree, because he still has to fight other programs. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to be able to destroy programs/people like the way he did Smith in the first movie. If I'm missing something, please correct me lol.
That said, Neo can break many laws of physics I guess, but there are still limits, and thus he has to fight just like everyone else.
No, you're right, he can't recode other programs or people. But neither can the System itself - else there'd be no Exiles running around, nor would there be any of the Rebels running around either. All they'd need to do is go "Oh, there's the Oracle, rewrite her code" or "Hey, it's Trinity. *click*" and they're done with, otherwise.
But that's not the case as it's not really possible to mess with codes like that - I'd say what Neo did to revive Trinity is as close to that as it's possible to get.
He still has his limits but as far as the Matrix goes, he IS all but a god.
Other than Kryptonite, what are Supermans weaknesses?
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IF Supes only weaknesses are kryptonite and certain forms of magic, and Neo has neither, it seems Superman would win.
Unless there is something else that can be used against Superman, or Neo has kryptonite.
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Are you genuinely lost to the rules of the Matrix?
Neo could turn Superman into kryptonite, turn the city into kryptonite, do anything necessary to beat Superman, and this is a fight that would HAVE to be in the Matrix, as with all of Neo's fights.
Outside of the Matrix, Superman would have no powers, since he'd be a blue pill. Neo still would, as he is the systemic anomaly.
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Jun 10th, 2008 03:07 AM
... but still Superman wins
