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Talking about NJO Luke, wasnt he NJO Luke for several years? I think it needs to be narrowed down, exactly which book we are talking about.
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i'm still of the opinion that LOTF luke is stronger than his NJO counterpart. his abilities in the force have increased enough to put him in a whole different category, though he seems to deal more in deception with the force during LOTF than pure all-out violent attacks.
So was I, for the entire first paragraph. If Anakin can barely see Palpatine, he's probably not going to be able to hit Luke, so he isn't going to present much of a challenge.
Registered: Apr 2008
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But Anakin is not particularly slow himself, and has the ability- like every other Jedi- to 'feel' through the force. Remember, this is RotS Sidious, not DE Sidious.
I suppose that if you're right, then yes, Luke should win the saber fight. However, Palpatine isn't dumb, and wouldn't charge in without Anakin's help, and therefore, if they both attack Luke on both of his sides, they can eventually overwhelm him.
And RotS Sidious moved faster than Anakin could really follow, according to the passage that you repeatedly throw around and try to validate. He is going to need that speed to survive more than a few seconds against Luke, and slowing down enough to fight cohesively with Anakin is going to get him killed. Like you said, he isn't dumb.
Since Sidious and Luke will be fighting at speeds that Anakin can't even touch, Anakin can't help his partner here. What part of this aren't you getting?
And Luke is just going to stand there and get sandwiched between someone he's considerably more powerful than and someone he's considerably more powerful and faster than? Yeah. Sure.
I don't know why you're trying so hard to give Anakin a fighting chance here, since he has none in any scenario.
Registered: Aug 2008
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I'd like to get you guys' take on something else. Judging from several books and movies, it seems like when a team is taking on a single opponent, they do worse than when in a 1 vs. 1 senario.
Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan against Maul seemed kind of slow and hesistant. Yet when it was Qui-Gon vs. Maul the action was much more fast-paced and fluid. Ditto when Obi-Wan was facing him solo.
Hell, if you take Anakin from AOTC when fighting Dooku solo he did about as well as Obi and he did taking him on together in ROTS. Add in books like Rule of Two where it shows a Jedi like Johun pretty much screwing up his teammate's timing (the big fat dude, the name's a blank), and Anakin and Palps might be fare better solo than as a team. Still saying they lose. Only that they might do better in sabers if they don't attack him at the same time.
Registered: Apr 2008
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Sorry I didn't post until now, but I had to go somewhere.
Anyways, I can concede to this argument. You do bring up a reasonable point about how Anakin and Sidious won't be able to fight together...
But a question. If Luke was to go alone against 'in teh zone' Anakin in a pure lightsaber duel, do you think Luke would defeat him with utter ease? I'm not that sure about it. I think Anakin should be able to last more than a few seconds in that sort of fight, although Luke will win without extreme difficulty.
I don't even understand the concept of 'in teh zone' Anakin, as all he's doing is giving in to his anger and hatred - opening the "furnace," as Dooku put it. He was all Dark side, batshit crazy against Obi-Wan, too, and how did that turn out?
I think against all but a select few opponents, Anakin is virtually unstoppable. But Luke, Sidious, Yoda, and Bane can't really be threatened by him, and on a lesser level, Jacen and Mace are generally guaranteed victory.
Registered: Apr 2008
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Well, Anakin wasn't focusing against Obi-Wan's; there's a difference between well-harnessed, controlled rage and blind, 'batshit crazy' rage.
And- with the obvious exception of Luke- I wouldn't go as far as to say 'can't really be threated by [Anakin]', or guaranteed victory. Sure, all the people you listed (well... I'm not too sure about Jacen) can all probably take Anakin out, but he'd surely pose some sort of a challenge to them.
The difference between in those fights was that in the Dooku fight he tapped into the darkside but was able to keep a level head and controlled his emotions. In the Obi-Wan fight he fell completely to the darkside his state of mind was fuked up and he was fighting a opponent who trained him for ten years and fought alongside him for 3 years
Challenged, yes. But Anakin has no chance whatsoever of killing any of them, especially when the Force abilities of these individuals are taken into account. Mace is probably the only one there whose life would truly be at stake on any level, and even then Vaapad and shatterpoint give him a sharp advantage. The rest would Force (pun intended) Skywalker into the ground.
Aug 18th, 2008 10:21 PM
