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Enyalus
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Anakin Skywalker.

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I was definitely talking about Anakin Skywalker. I don't like that they killed Anakin Solo, because he had a similar power level without the predestined BECOME VADER/ KILL PADME etc. thing hanging over his head.


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I was definitely talking about Anakin Skywalker. I don't like that they killed Anakin Solo, because he had a similar power level without the predestined BECOME VADER/ KILL PADME etc. thing hanging over his head.


I also liked Anakin Solo better than Skywalker.

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If not, before I posted he'd die to Jaina. Now though, I'm thinking he'd die to Zannah. Maul would take a lot out of him.
Nah. Maul would piss him the f*ck off, and as a result he'd pull a Bane on Zannah and beat her into the ground. If she gets one of her stupid little spells in on him, she might be able to take him, but I really don't think she has a chance in hell.

Jaina, though, is damn good. I say after Maul and Zannah, Anakin falls to her after a particularly vicious fight.

Good thread, btw.

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Nah. Maul would piss him the f*ck off, and as a result he'd pull a Bane on Zannah and beat her into the ground....Jaina, though, is damn good. I say after Maul and Zannah, Anakin falls to her after a particularly vicious fight.


That's what I initially thought. Then I realized this is all-out, and that given Maul wouldn't be a pushover, and in fact may even deplete a good portion of his Force-reserves, that Zannah may be able to hold him for a small while with her style, or snap off a Force Horror spell and win.

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I thought jedi can combat force illusions?

As for anakins force power, i still think he surpasses jaina in raw power considering that he could lift a massive statue and sent it flying like a missle to destroy a massive door(or wall).

Force knowledge wise? Jaina > him.

But then again, anakin was able to tool dooku, one of the greatest jedi and an even greater sith and make his knowledge of the force a joke.

If this is "zeh zone anakin" and if he engages jaina in a saber duel, i don't see why he couldn't do the same to her he did to dooku.

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It didn't help poor Jedi Knight Sarro.

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how does jaina have more force knowledge than anakin? anakin was trained in the temple, and with obi-wan. They had all the knowledge of the Old republics jedi order. the NJO still just has all the knowledge they've been able to scrape together, and its doubtful jaina has learned even close to a decent percentage of that knowledge. She's a pilot, she's been away at war, not acting as a jedi, but acting as a fighter pilot. she's hardly even been an acting jedi most of her life. i would guess her force knowledge is very limited. Her greatest fighting tool is something she learned from the mando's.

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anakin wins: might have trouble at sion, but i truly doubt it. Sion only does his "restore himself" thing in places imbued by the darkside, so it depends on where the fight takes place.


I've heard this before and I've only just realised what bad logic this is. The crux of the issue is that Sion holds his body together by sheer will all the time so it doesn't make sense that he needs to be on a darkside strong world to do it. Btw the whole 'restoring himself' is pretty much the same thing and unless it takes a huge amount more energy to do it (he can hold himself together indefinately without visible effort) then he should logically be able to do it anywhere. I think the quote means that on Malachor he can 'rise a thousand times' or whatever whereas on other planets he probably gets exhausted after the hundreth time or so.
Thats my theory anyway.


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I've heard this before and I've only just realised what bad logic this is. The crux of the issue is that Sion holds his body together by sheer will all the time so it doesn't make sense that he needs to be on a darkside strong world to do it. Btw the whole 'restoring himself' is pretty much the same thing and unless it takes a huge amount more energy to do it (he can hold himself together indefinately without visible effort) then he should logically be able to do it anywhere. I think the quote means that on Malachor he can 'rise a thousand times' or whatever whereas on other planets he probably gets exhausted after the hundreth time or so.
Thats my theory anyway.
It's one thing to keep his body together, but after sustaning damage and falling aprt, and then putting it back together again, that's a bit more difficult.


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How do you think his body got that damaged in the first place? Old age does a number, but not that kind of number.

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How do you think his body got that damaged in the first place? Old age does a number, but not that kind of number.
Never said he couldn't do it, but piecing together a freshly damaged (and singed) body would be a bit more difficult, wouldn't you say? Like trying to glue together a broken vase... except the pieces are cracking further and are on fire.


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Never said he couldn't do it, but piecing together a freshly damaged (and singed) body would be a bit more difficult, wouldn't you say? Like trying to glue together a broken vase... except the pieces are cracking further and are on fire.


Here's my dilemma: I want to agree with you. You make sense. But at the same time, how has he done it all the previous times? The same method, I would think. And he never states nor implies that it takes days or hours to ressurect or repiece himself back together. So...

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Here's my dilemma: I want to agree with you. You make sense. But at the same time, how has he done it all the previous times? The same method, I would think. And he never states nor implies that it takes days or hours to ressurect or repiece himself back together. So...
One does not need to tell another a fact, for that fact to be true. Wouldn't be very "Sithly" or "stealthy" of Sion to go about revealing that.

And it may even be done quickly, but I'd assume to quickly rebuild an even more broken body, and freshly damaged to boot, would require a more profound energy drain.


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It may require more energy. But since he feeds on pain, and obviously being hacked apart would hurt...there's your extra energy reserves.

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One does not need to tell another a fact, for that fact to be true. Wouldn't be very "Sithly" or "stealthy" of Sion to go about revealing that.

And it may even be done quickly, but I'd assume to quickly rebuild an even more broken body, and freshly damaged to boot, would require a more profound energy drain.
As he is the Lord of Pain, and from what Kreia says, the agony he endures from being cut up and his deep well of hatred fuels the power. He might feel a little drained, but the fact that pain strengthens him so much would negate this.

His concentration is a different story.

If Anakin impales him through the chest, he'll expect the fight to be over, but Sion could easily grab the hand than holds the saber, headbutt him, then cut him in half.

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how does jaina have more force knowledge than anakin? anakin was trained in the temple, and with obi-wan. They had all the knowledge of the Old republics jedi order.
Yeah, and at twenty-three with just over thirteen years of Jedi training under his belt, plus the fact that he never ascended beyond the rank of Knight - when we know that a Jedi Master still needs to be on the Council to have access to some of the more impressive Holocrons in the archives, and Anakin was a stand-in Council-member for a few days - I think we can conclude that Anakin's knowledge of arcane techniques and applications of the Force isn't quite extraordinary.

Also knowledge doesn't necessarily equate to mastery or control over the Force. Jaina, I believe, was able to rub air molecules together to create light when she was a little kid. Anakin's use of the Force, while certainly more impressive on an instinctive level, rarely shines through as exceptional in the realm of mastery.

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the NJO still just has all the knowledge they've been able to scrape together, and its doubtful jaina has learned even close to a decent percentage of that knowledge.
Yet Anakin is going to have even looked at anything more than a fraction of what the original Order had access to? No.

Jacen and Jaina both demonstrated powerful usage of Force-lightning, and Jaina has access to the shatterpoint ability. She

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She's a pilot, she's been away at war, not acting as a jedi, but acting as a fighter pilot.
LOL

Anakin wasn't a pilot? Anakin wasn't "away at war"? Jaina fought on foot in several of the most critical battles of the war. Over the course of the five year war she most probably faced down more numerous and more dangerous enemies than Anakin did in the Clone War, anyway.

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she's hardly even been an acting jedi most of her life.
Uh, yeah she has. Anakin has spent thirteen years as a Jedi - Jaina has been training or experimenting with the Force on some level for about thirty. She started formal training when she was thirteen, so she's had nearly twenty years of training intermingled with several years spent in one war or another.

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i would guess her force knowledge is very limited.
You'd be wrong.

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Her greatest fighting tool is something she learned from the mando's.
That would be...?

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Y'know, if anyone we've seen is suited to taking on Zannah and stomping her into the dirt, it's Anakin..

If Sarro hadn't been distracted and had the downside of the rush of fatigue and weakness from the battle meditation's ending and hadn't been a total moron and turned to LOOK to see what'd happened behind him, Zannah never would've hit him with a spell


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Again, that whole scene was an Olympic-size swimming pool's worth of PIS. Bane's demonstrated abilities make it clear that, if he'd wanted to eliminate his enemies quickly - which would've been logical - he could have done so fairly easily. Worror was the only reason the Jedi lasted more than a few seconds, anyway.

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To be fair as it was, Johun's the reason the Jedi lost by constantly not allowing Sarro to lunge and finish Zannah when she lost her footing.

If Sarro had just yelled "Stay the **** out of my way, idiot!" The Jedi would've won.

Heck...even without the BM, Sarro probably could have taken Zannah with his style.

Y'know, while Karpyshyn's good at action scenes, the Jedi Jobber fight is just ludicrous.


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