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Bane essentially taught Zannah that ability, so I'd assume he'd know how to defend against it. Caedus wouldn't have that advantage, so if he made it past Bane, I don't see him faring as well. Also, the reason for the quotes around my "Kun's" amulets comment...is because they were initially Naga Sadow's amulets. Centuries after Sadow's death, Freedon Nadd gives the amulets to Kun, and everyone refers to them now as Kun's amulets. But yes, they are the exact same thing. Furthermore, since they were initially Naga's, he'd probably be able to control its power much better than Kun was shown to.
Zannah not only uses it on non-force sensitives, but also on a Jedi Knight and a mildly Force sensitive user. (Maybe others...I don't recall offhand.) And there's really no reason to think that it wouldn't work against Vader, considering he's never attempted to defend against something like that before. He gets emotionally wrecked during his battle with Obi-Wan, and with Luke.
As for Mr. Blaxican's comment about him only getting 'emotional when fighting people who remind him of his past,'
"What could you hate enough to destroy me?"
"Myself."
Maul to Vader during Resurrection. Now, I know that he did know Maul, but they were hardly close. The point is that he walks around with this emotional baggage all the time (The Emperor says so in...The Rise of Darth Vader, I believe). So, yes...Vader loses to Zannah. In my opinion. Don't like it? Make your own list up.
Problem is that he's matched against Bane in the first round. The same Bane who has studied Revan's holocron inside and out, as well as read both of Revan's books. Meaning, he almost certainly knows how to combat such abilities - unique as they may be. Which is why I gave Bane the battle.
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So because it works on a mild force user it will work on vader. Just what exactly makes you think vader is going to start clawing his eyes out(lol how can he do that when hes behind a mask) when he could simply attempt to combat the creature that is not there?
He would know it was a sith spell used by zannah and just because he has never been shown to defend against these techniques, it doesn't mean he can't.
Nomi sunrider, vaders inferior in the force department at least was able to counter sith spells and illusions rather easily so i don't see why vader, a DARK lord of the sith wouldn't be able to do the same.
About vader being an emo bag, do you think he would not had improved over the next 19 years or is he still going to be so emotional for that long?
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Bane may know of the techniques, but defending against them is something different. Let's remember that most of what Revan puts in the Holocron is dependent on the strength of the wielder.
He's not exactly a weak wielder of the force either. He resisted Malachor V through sheer force of will, something nobody else could do. The only other person to escape its corrupting effects was the Exile and we all know how that turned out. I doubt Bane would be able to defend against an assault from Revan in the Force(which is what matters in this thread) and he has never had (with the possible exeption of Kas'im but that was mostly saber so not applicable to this thread) to kill anyone of Revan's caliber in direct confrontation.
Revan most likely mastered other techniques than what was in is holocron and Bane's sources of knowledge seem pretty limited in comparison to the Vast collection Revan had at his disposable.
Malachor V in its entirety, Korriban's secrets and tombs were mostly unplundered until his Empire came to be, virtually all the Jedi Masters of that time, and various other forbidden knowledge from other worlds.
Revan's Empire couldn't have been limited to just those. HK-47 and Bao-Dur both state that there were many Sith Strongholds that they could've been coming from and it was doubtful that the Republic got them all.
Bane had nowhere near this variety to choose from, and most of Korriban had been plundered and spread throughout the galaxy by his time, and neither one of them had access to the ancient libraries of Arkania.
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Of course he will be that emotional, the Sith get their power from Passion(a.k.a emotion) were as Jedi get similar but slightly less strength from clarity.
One of the main weaknesses of the Sith is that they get so dependent on rage and hatred.
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I already gave my reasoning for his loss to Zannah.
Bane's probably the Sith'ari. He's got displays which put him near or above ROTS Sidious, who was the most powerful Sith Lord in history. That means that Bane > Revan. Also, yeah, knowing the techniques means knowing how to use them and how to defend against them. Especially for someone as thorough as Darth Bane.
Enyalus, you seemed to have ignored the rest of my post.
Noway in hell Bane's the Sith'ari(Unless you mean that as the Sith Language's way of saying Sith Lord) Anakin is the Sith'ari. Or more likely than Bane Palpatine is the Stih'ari.
Every canon source has Anakin as the Chosen One/Sith'ari.
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The Chosen One isn't the same as the Sith'ari. And yes, it's either Bane or Palpatine. A lot of people think Bane though, because of his founding the new Sith Order.
Dont flaunt Sids being the strongest like its a fact that could be used in a debate. There is no definate proof, even LS and Gideon who are both entirely devoted to supporting Sids will admit that fact.
And putting Bane as the Sith'ari is very questionable. Not that being the Sith'ari is an auto win anyways.
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Round 1: Malak and Kun
Zannah and Vader
Caedus and Bane
Sidious and Sadow
The two contraversial things here are that Bane would beat Revan and Sidious would beat Luke.
Bane has shown much more force showings than Revan and more powerful. The only things that Revan has been shown too use are Choke, Force Bomb and Force storm and while the latter is impressive, Bane kicks her ass in Lightning showings (disintergration). Also as Of this point Sidious hasn't shown us major usages of the Force, but enough to put him above DE Luke ( who has pretty much Zero experience in force battles).
Round 2: Kun
Vader
Bane
Sadow ???
Kun would beat Malak with the amulets or Ebony lightning, Vader beats Zannah with his Tk (also I think he once used Horror in comic but that might be non-conon), Bane beats Caedus by overpowering him and Sadow might be able to beat Sidious if he has the amulets plus mastery of them
Round three
Bane or Sadow.
It depends on whether Bane can Tank the blasts or not.
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I was bored, so I figured I'd deal with the stuff here.
Dooku vs. SF Empowered Malak- Tough one. I would put Dooku over Malak any day in Malak's regular state; his displays of force power more than rival Malak's, such as being able to cause Ventress tremendous internal pain (without killing her). His mastery of Makashi and dueling in general is far more detailed and lauded than Malak's swordplay- the Star Forge may empower Malak considerably, but we can't gauge the exact level of empowerment it will give him. Therefore, I give Dooku this fight.
Kreia vs. Kun- Kun in a curbstomp.
Maul vs. Zannah- Honestly, Maul would own her in a lightsaber duel, but her Sith illusions may give him a rough life. Maul's never displayed great ability to defend against them, so I have to give Zannah the nod.
Ulic vs. Vader- Any incarnation of Vader wins, but I'd assume this is RotJ Vader.
Caedus vs. Lumiya- Caedus. Definetly.
Bane vs. Darth Revan- Bane. Orbalisks, studying of Revan's holocrons, in addition to far more known saber and force ability should give him the automatic win.
RotS Sidious vs. Luke- DN Luke WILL win, but by Dark Empire? He may be a master swordsman, but he was absolutely owned by Sidious in a duel when they fought. Granted, that was DE Sidious, but I really doubt the difference between the incarnations is that large. Luke may be a beast even by that point, but his command of the force isn't even comparable to Sidious, who, by RotS, could summon up lightning that nearly overpowered the 'most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' (who is a far more masterful, experienced in actually blocking lightning, and is likely faster), caused Mace Windu, whom despite using his Vaapad- something that Luke can't use, and possessing a physique Luke could only dream of, to get overpowered. Sidious also launches planet-devastating rituals (Sithisis), clouded the force from the eyes of the Jedi through his sheer presence and dark side power, and summoned incredible levels of speed in lightsaber combat- he's also a 'master of every weapon and every form' by that point. Luke isn't. My money is on Sidious in this fight, but I'm not -that- much of a Luke expert. I do know that he's only godly during NJO, DN, and LotF. Not DE.
Nadd vs. Sadow- Sadow.
Dooku vs. Kun- Kun will win via amulet blasts, even if Dooku is, IMO, the superior lightsaber user.
Zannah vs. Vader- Vader, certainly. He has superior telekinesis, force, and power feats, and is, quite a simply, a stronger and more skilled swordsman. He beats Zannah.
Caedus vs. Bane- Damn, this is a hard one. But my money is on Bane taking this fight, if only due to these godamned orbalisks.
Sidious vs. Sadow- Sidious is more than fast enough to dodge the amulet blasts at long range, and has a more versatile and lethal command of dark side attacks. He beats Sadow.
Kun vs. Vader vs. Bane vs. Sidious- Either Bane or Sidious got this. Sidious is the most powerful person here, being the most powerful Sith in history. However, Bane has... the godamned orbalisks (I will continue saying that). That should give him a shot, especially while fighting multiple combatants... ugh. Yeah, it's a split between Sidious and Bane.
If Bane was so powerful than why was he hesitant to unleash all the knowledge that Revan possessed?
He himself said that some of the techniques Revan knew were too dangerous to try. This says a lot. (Source: DB: POD)
Also do you think that Bane can over-power Revan through Force Lightning? Thats a wishful thinking. Keep in mind that Revan can unleash his Force Lightning Storm on him and this dark side technique is indeed the Force Lightning in its highest degree. (Source: KOTOR)
Let me remind you once again that mainly through knowledge and wisdom imparted by Revan, did Bane managed to change the future of the Sith and became one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the history of Star Wars. In other-words, Revan indirectly helped the Sith to get back on their feet once again after a long time.
Something about Lucas calling Sidious the #1 most powerful Sith... Iunno, I could be mistaken. The guy has a way of saying things that don't make sense.
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Nah its a myth. If somone actually provides proof of this then I stand corrected, but Ive never seen anyone prove it. And LS or Gideon would be flaunting this quote like it was the second coming if it actually existed.
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