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Did I say anything about Yahweh being The Presence? No. Learn to comprehend basic English. I said Yahweh was the Supreme being of the Vertigoverse. Which is true. He was a Supreme Being, and still not absolutely omniscient.
So your assertion regarding Thanos fails. Horribly. In the Thanos mini, two years after The End, Thanos states that he became the Supreme Being on panel while talking to Warlock. Since Warlock was there, he would know. I've posted the scans in another thread which you chose to ignore then, too.
Thanos's statements mean jack to me. Show me an on panel description of him as The One above all. And YWh isn't a supreme being. So your use of him was calculated. I"m talking Supreme being of a company. As in MOM, the Presence, TOAA. Absolute authority.
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Show me one on panel narration statement saying that the Presence is the Supreme Being of the entire DCU. 'Cause from this point on, I'm going to be like you and disregard what comes out of the Spectre and Source's and The Presence's mouth, in favor of narration panels.
Isn't? True. That's Elaine. Was? Yes. He was the Supreme Being of the Vertigo universe, which as you claim is unconnected to the DCU and thus has nothing to do with The Presence.
Vertigo is a part of DC. and Thus under the Presence. The Presence is the Panel. What he speaks is the absolute truth. he doesn't need a panel becuz he is the panel. It's the same when Kirby was talking to the FF. We know that he's the one above all. He needs no panel. What he speaks is. Thanos speaking means jack. Thanos has called himself God before.
You don't have to believe me. No where does any panel state than thanos is the one above all.
And that in universe bull shit is a way for thanos wankers to say he was God. he wasn't. In universe my ass. He didn't know where warlock and Death were. And guess what? TOAA did. He put them there. Thus Thanos was NEVER TOAA. A supreme being exist inside AND outside of the reality in which they control. They are the reality and at the same time sustain the reality and at the same time are above the reality.
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Again and again and again and again this has been told to you, fangirl - try to pay attention one last time:
THANOS WAS NOT TOAA. NO ONE SAID HE WAS. THANOS IS THANOS. THANOS HAD TOAA'S IN-UNIVERSE POWER. THANOS IS NOT A WRITER. THANOS WAS NOT TOAA EVER. NO ONE SAID HE WAS. THANOS WAS THE SUPREME BEING OF THE MARVELVERSE AND BECAME WHAT THE TOAA HAD BEEN FROM AN IN-UNIVERSE PERSPECTIVE.
Where the hell are you getting that TOAA is a writer? TOAA is a character created by marvel. It has been on panel shown as the Kirby Avatar and a telephone. It has a trademarked name. The one above All. Thanos wasn't this character. Thus Thanos was not God. He was not Supreme. He did not have it's power. Thanos was not Omnicient. He wasn't even all powerful. He had to destroy the universe to fix a flaw? God has no limits. he can literally think something and fix it.
Hrm. How to answer all that...
-Yes TOAA can make something stronger than LT if he wanted. Yes it could be the HOTI. That is a good point.
Btw. If you are going to ignore everything Thanos says as true, then say so, and i'll stop trying to make any sort of point with you.
-In the End issue 6, Thanos states that he has usurped the supreme power, and yet even he, the master manipulator was being manipulated. That he had usurped supreme power from his predescessor, but goes on to realize that he was still following the 'will' of the previous. It was all know to the previous how this will all pan out. Thano himself realized it almost as soon as he began contemplating it.
Thanos even says "if HE went to all the trouble to ensnare me, then there will be no way out. Check and mate".
Thanos knows his divine authority, power, etc. He gains divine insight. He knows that there is no other course of action. And who else would "HE" be other than TOAA. And if the power belonged to the supreme being, than who else again, but TOAA?
And btw... if you don't trust in thanos's statements... realize that in secret wars... the power levels of the cosmic cube were stated by thanos...
and the power of the ig was as stated by thanos.. and yet witness all that those items did ....
If you are looking for a loophole, like thanos did in issue 6, i don't see you finding it.
btw. as far as anything slipping thanos's notice... he had JUST received the power, and was still adjusting to it. Also thanos has a character trait of gaining and giving up absolute power, IG, CC, HOTI.
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
IF Thanos was Toaa, and Toaa was Thanos... Thats like saying... your boss and you switch positions, what would you do? I'd fire him, and set a company mandate that if the former manager comes within visual distance of our building he is to be shot on sight. :P
wierd.
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Thanos's statements are never taken seriously by me. EVER. He states he is God all of the time. Really. I go by feats. By Feats, The IG is powerful. By feats, The cosmic cubes are powerful. Etc. Thanos if truly as poweful as the One above all, would also have something very important. The Will and Authority to do what he wanted. he could not. Thus he did not have his power. Power isn't just energy. Power is Authority. It's Will to control the power. President Bush is the most powerful man in the world. Not because of his physical might but, His Authority. Thanos didn't have that.
Ba ba ba... Thanos was the TOAA in position, power, and mind. He just didn't want it, so he gave it up. And the fact that his power was limited to that Actuality had nothing to do with the fact that his power is only that great In-Universe. It was only that great, because at that time that was the only thing he thought to do with it.
Against the heroes, he released a wave of energy wiping them out.
Against the gods, he did the same.
Then against the gods, he absorbed them all.
Then he absorbed all of THAT actuality within himself, basically taking the cancer of the universe within his own body (something I could attribute to Jesus, the chosen messenger of god, taking the sins of man within himself)
Thanos did not attempt, did not consider other actualities. What if he had? Shoot.... er? :P
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
GOD is infallible. He can make no mistakes. However HE did. Wrap your head around it. He created a universe where heroes die and reborn more than he wanted. So he creates a series of events that lead to Thanos doing what he ended up doing what he had to do. Thanos knew what he had to do. Just because someone set a course for which you have no way out, does not mean. Thanos gave up the power, because it had no meaning to him. Thanos also corrected to universe to the way it should have been, and as a reward, Thanos got the one thing he always wanted, the twisted love of Death herself. Thanos has never wanted to be God. Every, Every, Every thing he does is to gain the affection or Mistress Death. The soul gems destroying galaxies? The creation of the IG? The cosmic Cube incident? The cosmic madonna thing? Yah. All of it. To gain Deaths attention.
Just as a side thought, think about this. In OUR reality, for certain chrisitans God is infallible. Consider. If God was infallible, and he made man in his image, why would man have eaten the apple and fallen from heaven. Why would god have to create a son to send to earth to pay for OUR sins. Why would God kill first born children. He could simply correct everything. For he is the almighty. Right?
Sometimes, even god makes mistakes :P (waits to stoned)
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
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