No he doesnt have to say the spells just think them. it was a major theme in book 6 about how harry would always be behind snape or voldemort because he had to verbally say the spells he used.
also can anyone provide me with the eact quote and source where Lucas says that Vader is 80% as powerful as the emperor?
Last edited by xxxpoppunker182 on Feb 4th, 2009 at 06:17 AM
That would be a problem for Vader unless he snapped Voldie's neck first. Since Voldie has no force shield Vader can easily crumple his body to death with the force.
In Rise of Darth Vader Palpatine muses that Vader could still surpass him even after Mustafar if he let go of his self loathing and fully embraced the dark side.
I know it has nothing to do with your request but it gives some perspective of where Vader could be if he overcame the psychological wounds he sustained from Mustafar.
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Last edited by Allankles on Feb 4th, 2009 at 06:38 AM
Assuming the otherwise insurmountable problem of Force vs. Magic is solved by "the Force can't deflect Magic and Magic can't dispel the Force" is present, I'd say that Vader would have no idea as to what Voldemort can do and what that wand of his can do. Likewise, Voldemort is ignorant of the properties of Vader's Force-powers and his lightsaber.
That said, assuming it's from the get-go a no hold's bar duel, both aware that their mysterious opponent possess dangerous powers unknown to them, then...
If Voldemort gets in the first move, Vader will die. End of story.
If Vader manages to grip Voldemort with TK, Voldemort can apparate out of it and Magic Vader away, Avada Kedavra him, Cruciatus him, Imperius him, magically immobilize him etc etc. Vader's finished unless he suddenly becomes an expert on Magic and his already inhibited physical capabilities exceed the speed and radius to which Voldemort's spell can reach. I'd give that to Voldemort too.
I see Vader's only chance of winning is to catch Voldemort by surprise by TK'ing him to the ground or in to a wall, quickly moving in with his saber or by crushing Voldemort's body. Another possible scenario for Vader is if Voldemort attempts to block or shield the saber with Magic---not good for him. But the saber's blade being a beam of energy and not the Force does not fall subject to my above rule. If Voldemort has the ability of blocking pure, unadultered energy, then Vader's again beat.
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Vader can dodge blaster bolts and stuff, I'm sure he can dodge whatever Volde throws at him (precog helps) untill he can rip his spine out with the Force or somethin'
We don't know the extent of Voldemort's powers, if hes has anything that covers a radius... And blaster bolts as seen in the movies appear to travel at the speed of spells, so get enough of them going, he can't dodge them all.
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...i think this is a case of who attacks whom first. If Voldie goes first, Vader is pwned - Avada Kedavra and Vader is one with the Force.
If Vadie goes first, on the other hand - I think Force Choke should be enough to disorient Voldie and eventually kill him - if he is disoriented enough.
i reread all of the volde,mort fights and he MISSES with his av=eda kedavra all the time. against harry and dumbledore. and again I don't belive that voldo could just use the imperious curse on anyone for example top tier magic users like mad eye and dumbledore maybe even sirius. The big thing though is Dumbledore and Harry have dodges Volde's killing curse and for someone who can move faster than them I belive voldemot will miss lmost every time against vader.
another thought doesn't vaders armor have some sort of sith alchemy to it or something like that and wouldn't that help prevent magic attacks on him? just a thought i could very well be wrong.
also in the book shadows of the empire the in universe narrator says
, “Xizor left his four bodyguards in the antechamber and went into Darth Vader's personal meeting room. The guards were trained in half a dozen forms of handto-hand combat, each armed with a blaster and each an expert shot; still, if Vader wanted to harm him, it wouldn't matter if he took four or forty men with him. The mysterious Force would let Vader block a fired blaster bolt with his lightsaber or his hands, and he could kill with a gesture, could freeze your lungs or stop your heart, just like that. It was a lesson many had learned the hard way: One did not stand toe-to-toe with Darth Vader and challenge him directly.”
so vader could stop his heart before he has a chance to react. remember all wizards and witch's are human in the sense that they don't have beefed up movement like force users and yes while vader is slower than most force users he is still faster than humans.
also if voldemort apperated away he would still be hin vaders grip for example in ANH as he chokes that one guy (i forgot his name) on the death star he turns around and starts walking away before releasing him also he does the same to veers i think in ESB (when he is in his black ball thing and he looks on his screen i think he turns away while still choking someone again though I could be mistaken)
also all force users have precognition so wouldn't vader be able to know where voldemort is going after he apperates?
and Thanks guys for contributing.
Last edited by xxxpoppunker182 on Feb 4th, 2009 at 07:44 PM
True say on Voldemort's aim. Though a lot of his misses are do to intervention ala Dumbledore or others. But if you're looking for a definitive answer, it's who gets the first strike really. And be sure to tell the guys you're arguing with that Magic vs the Force is pure supposition.
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The idea is that Vader can crumple Volde's body instantly with his TK.
No reason why - with the force of his TK - he can't instantly kill Volde. Vader has been known to turn reenforced steel to patty he could easily crush someone who lacks a force bubble.
In Labyrinth Palpatine crumpled a Storm troopers body instantly with TK.
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Last edited by Allankles on Feb 4th, 2009 at 08:54 PM
Exactly. If Vader stuns him with such a move, Voldemort's screwed. But should it not work or be fast enough, Voldemort could teleport, say, behind Vader.
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The point is that if Vader isn't quick enough to just crush Voldemort outright, he's done. Apparating would just give Vader more time; turning him into a frog or simply using the Killling Curse on him would be more efficient.
I think you are overlooking how all force users fight.....precognition they all of it and it is used in lightsaber combat all the time in fact everytime aside from when Ulic fought vima when he was stripped of the force.
so if voldemort were to teleport wouldn't vader know where he is going to be?
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