It overrode the ALE's effects. Whether it did so by affecting Darkseid's body is a case of semantics. Barry Allen kissed Iris Allen and dispelled the ALE's effects completely. The only plausible explanation is the Speed Force... that or the power of true love. Ha. No, seriously, Speed Force. Spectre was enslaved by the Spear of Destiny and spoke the ALE, the ALE didn't enslave him. While your interpretation is arguable, the fact that the ALE couldn't affect those protected by Radiant and Spectre was able to dispel the effects of Anti-Life suggests that agents of God do not succumb to Anti-Life.
I'm not taking anything out of context. It's stated outright within the pages of Final Crisis. Only select KMC posters equivocating over a plain and clear statement from a reliable source argue that only Nix, Highfather and Metron were immune. The scan speaks for itself: http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...i112/FC5p24.jpg
And your opinion would be well-served by posting examples of pre-FC Darkseid using the Life Trap on opponents comparable to Blood and Thunder Thor.
It's not semantics, when the Lasso's power is to immobilize those bound by it. So no, it's not semantics, the ALE is a mathematical equation it's not restricted by the lasso, rather it's the bodies it inhabits that are affected.
Barry kissed his wife, and she was cured that doesn't have anything to do with the speed force. The speed force doesn't cure spiritual and mental enslavement. Think about it, none of that had to do with the speed force.
Radiant didn't protect anyone from the ALE with some anti-ALE power. She teleported Montoya when the ALE was going to affect her, and Radiant says categorically that she and Spectre have no power over the ALE.
Yes I just read the scan before posting my previous rebuttal. It didn't affect those "wired differently", that doesn't translate to: "every crazy person is immune to the ALE."
The only people known to be immune as I have stated accurately, are Miracle, Uotan and Metron through the LE. It was stated in two comics related to the ALE that only a select few in creation are immune to it's effects.
None of this means being crazy automatically grants you immunity, such conclusions aren't supported anywhere.
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Yes I just read the scan before posting my previous rebuttal. It didn't affect those "wired differently", that doesn't translate to: "every crazy person is immune to the ALE."
It essentially does say that, though. The scan says, "This is where they bring all the people Anti-Life can't affect: the crazy people, the ones wired up different...." How does that translate to "only a handful of people are immune to the ALE?" That contradicts what the scan says.
You could argue that the Spectreforce purges a body of the Anti-Life and doesn't negate it directly like the Life Equation would. Again, semantics. Wonder Woman's lasso dispelled Anti-Life. That's really all there is.
Oh I see. So it's your opinion that the power of love cured Iris Allen of Anti-Life. Radiant protected everyone in the church, Montoya and Huntress when Cain ordered Spectre to spread Anti-Life across the world at the end of Final Crisis: Revelations #4. Despite the entire equation being spoken and heard, they were left unaffected because of Radiant's forcefield. Radiant and Spectre may not have had the power to reverse the ALE when Cain held the Spear of Destiny, but it's clear that Radiant was able to protect certain people from infection and it's utterly obvious that Spectre himself reversed the wide-spread effects of the ALE he himself had wrought once the Spear of Destiny was recovered. You cannot deny that this happened on-panel.
No. Read it again. Highfather states, "This is where they bring all the people Anti-Life can't affect: the crazy people, the ones wired up different... before they dissect 'em..." By the plain reading of that simple statement, Anti-Life doesn't affect the crazy people, nor does it affect the ones wired up different:
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You also continue to ignore that (i) Mokkari didn't treat the three as isolated cases and (ii) that the prison itself is littered with bloodstains from multiple victims that inhabited the prison beforehand who were previously dissected. The same people that Highfather was eluding to.Except Highfather states that Anti-Life doesn't affect crazy people and people who are wired differently. Deal with Final Crisis itself. Don't engage in side-tracking the argument by citing other sources when the plain presentation of the actual comic suggests a result that differs from your opinion and Final Crisis itself serves to upend ALL prior preconceptions from previous stories.
Yes I'm dealing with Final crisis. In Final Crisis secret files, Morrison states only a few living beings are immune to the Anti-life equation. The same Morrison in the same continuity again alludes to the idea that only a selct few people in creation are immune to the ALE, Mister Miracle # 3.
So yes, it's stated several times by Morrison that only a few people in creation are immune to it's effects. The scan shows a total of 3 known people being immune, in the case of Metron we know he possesses knowledge of the LE, the other character (possibly Highfather) is an unknown at this point.
Further, I never said these were the only people immune, but rather the only known people immune (Uotan, Miracle and Metron with the LE). The other characters could be anyone, we know DS' minions were capturing people from the future as well. So it's all rather too inconclusive to use as evidence of: every crazy person, that's not how the statement reads.
As far as the rest, I adressed them in the previous post. Lasso's don't affect the ALE, nor does the speed force, by virtue of their limited functions.
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Yes this is what it says but "crazy" is subjective. None of those guys (Uotan, Metron and the unknown) seemed mentally insane.
It's way to inconclusive, especially when the same author has stated that only a few special people are immune to the ALE. Metron even asks Uotan, immediately after that statement: "so what so special about you?"
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Which does nothing to refute that crazy people and people wired different are immune unless you want to unjustifiably interpret "few" to mean "three." Grant Morrison himself wrote Final Crisis #4 where it's stated on-panel that crazy people and people wired differently are also immune to it and were being dissected by Mokkari. On-panel.That's EXACTLY how the statement reads and what the scan depicts. IDLI, IDH doesn't pass for an argument.No, you didn't. Because you use attenuated logic to equivocate over Wonder Woman dispelling Anti-Life which would also completely negate any instance of it happening and that robs such argument of all credibility. And unless it's "the power of love" that cured Iris Allen, there is no pertinent explanation for how Barry Allen cured Iris of Anti-Life. Refusing to acknowledge that your arguments end up refuting themselves or corner you into ridiculously inane positions is not argumentative proof. It's obstinancy without substance.Which suggests that Highfather must have been talking about other people, which again goes to prove the simple premise I've been putting forth.
It's in the comic. You can't even name the third person. The ale possibly wouldn't work on Thor and odg already explained how resistant he is to this. Thor was in a crazy state of mind so I think this includes him.
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Thor can block a light speed attack that Darkseid can control at will and is fast enough to give Superman troubles?
As for Wondy's shield, her blocking it is a non-issue. The reason DS did not stop it from hitting him was because they were at point-blank range and he did not have time to react. The beams were also fast enough to catch him off-guard.
Also, he can fire it across space/time. So NO, Thor cannot block it.
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You just sai dnothing can block the omegas and I gave you two examples. One was hv. Yes, he most certainly can. In theory Ds can, but we haven't seen him use his beams anywhere near as effectively as in a comic. They can be blocked and have been blocked. Bottom line.
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Radiant protected everyone in the church, Montoya and Huntress when Cain ordered Spectre to spread Anti-Life across the world at the end of Final Crisis: Revelations #4. Despite the entire equation being spoken and heard, they were left unaffected because of Radiant's forcefield. Radiant and Spectre may not have had the power to reverse the ALE when Cain held the Spear of Destiny, but it's clear that Radiant was able to protect certain people from infection and it's utterly obvious that Spectre himself reversed the wide-spread effects of the ALE he himself had wrought once the Spear of Destiny was recovered. You cannot deny that this happened on-panel.
