If he had to get rid of Mary jane and involve the devil then fine I would of had her dying. And the deal with Mephisto would be in exchange for her life there marriage and love would be gone and any woman whom he ever truly loves will be taken from him if they start a relationship. But he remembers all of it just that she and the other women wouldnt
There we have a Spidey who stays single and has more upsetting issues on his mind.
The point of the thread was to offer a better solution that would appease both the company and fans. You offered a solution that was certainly better but wouldn't appease everyone (especially Marvel offices). The whole reason behind OMD was to bring about a Peter Parker who was single.
Exactly! Well there's the problem. The fans don't want him divorced! The company, *cough*Quesada*cough* does, so he'll be easier to right. And that's just laziness and personal yearning for nostalgia. Hell even Straczynski didn't want to do it. He hated the idea so much he wanted his name completely off the last two issues of the story once the choice to do it had been made.
So, by your logic then there's no win. If the company does what they want the fans hate it. If the fans get what they want the company bitches about having to wright a married Peter Parker. Which to me is just plan laziness. They want the writing to be simple so they don't have to come up with new ideas and think. Instead they get to tell different versions of the exact same stories over and over again for another decade.
Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat!
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I actually prefer him married...they already showed him when he thought she was dead and they seperated and got back together, I mean spiderman himself admitted that he needed MJ...he said she's the reason why he'd so great 'Its not just that I love you MJ...I need you' something like that. I'm hoping MJ and Pete get back together cause I see them as one of marvels golden couple and having them divorced is just...it isn't right
I agree with your points but I don't hate a single Peter Parker, in fact I appreciate the story potential behind it. I just hate how they got there through OMD. However, whether I like it or not is irrelevant. The point of the thread is to restructure events to reach the same goals (so in the case of OMD a single Peter) but whilst correcting the mistakes the company made. It's asking if it could have been done in a more beneficial way.
Not everything is polarised whereby you either please the company or the fans. OMD is just a great example of something that upset a lot of fans for a variety of reasons, one of which being the method through which they broke up. If they broke up in a way that had a much better structure than a ridiculous Faustian pact, I don't think as many fans would be AS angry as they are.
OMD is perhaps one of the most obvious and controversial example for a thread like this and I really like your approach, but it left us with a married Peter Parker.
EDIT: Perhaps a good way Marvel could have done it is by putting Peter in a true lose/lose situation. He disagrees with Mephisto's deal, May dies and MJ is so shocked that she breaks up with him. Same result, Peter isn't villainised as much as he really was in OMD, only from MJ's perspective, and you've got even more room for new, long term cast of characters.
I guess if I had to do it I would've had MJ be the one that'd got shot and the OMD be his last 24 hours with her before she died. But as I've said I wouldn't have done that at all. One of the main reasons I read comics is for the growth and evolution of the characters. And for me Peter's done the single thing and now he's well into the married part of his life. And not only that but really Mary Jane is like pretty much the only good thing he's actually got since he got his powers and screwed up causing the death of uncle Ben. He needs her, she's the rock that he has to have to hold on to. The one good thing in his life. What really brings him happiness and keeps him sane.
Which is why Mephisto wanted her in the first place. Without her he has no footing on which to keep from eventually giving way to all the pressures brought to him by a world that hates him for jus trying to do whats right and losing his soul in the process.
Jus my point of view on it.
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I would of tied Civil War, World War Hulk, Annihilation Wave into one huge event and Secret Invasion as the aftermath.
Hulk's planet could of been destroyed as normal and the Skrull planet could of been destroyed by Galactus or Annihilation Wave.
Hulk and his army could of been caught up in the war on the way to earth and then it leaves Hulk with the decision to either go to earth to get revenge or go to warn them and help them save earth seeing it's his home and he's already lost one planet. It could of made the Hulks progression more mature and realistic as he decides for once to put aside his desire to smash and rage and revenge.
Capt should of been killed by accident by Tony or someone during civil war and ended it prematurely like one of Tony's blasts literally pwn him as he's only human and it would of drove Tony mad with grief and split up the hero community.
So when Hulk landed on earth he'd be like wtf and then it would of been up to Hulk, Sentry and a returned Thor to unite the hero community to defend earth from Thanos and the AW.
Thanos, Galactus, Annihilus could of been big bads on the scale of infinty gauntlet.
Could of got rid of some dead wood characters and stuff and make a epic war. Plus the stress of fighting two wars straight after each other on the scale that they did could of retired alot of hero's. Like Peter could of retired for a while.
Then in the aftermath, a new peter parker is in town running around as spiderman and dead heros suddenly back from the dead = Secret Invasion.
If the Skrull planet was destroyed in the war by a biological weapon by thanos or someone with only a small part of the population it gives them the perfect backdrop for secret invasion as they are forced to do it for survival and out of real desperation instead of some dodgy prophecy they had to think up and no one would of seen it coming also instead of the shoddy illumanti tie in.
Like they have a few hero genes already or something and are running around as dead heros and missing heros and villians even but the rest of the hero and villian community on earth is like wtf is going on.
Like you could of had a skrull cap running around mudering people etc.
It would of been an easier way to have a new cap running around, Marvell and two Peter Parkers.
As alot of hero's could of been MIA and unaccounted for or dead from the Ahnnialation war.
Peter Parker is supposed to be a down on his luck everyman and down on their luck everymen aren't married to the worlds hottest supermodel and actress. Being a freelance photographer who doesn't know where his next check is coming from and who works for a jerk doesn't really matter when you are married to Tyra Banks.
Was OMD the right answer? Maybe not it was needlessly complicated and convoluted. I would kept them married, and have made Mary Jane a washed up ex-model who is kinda dumpy, bitchy and resentful. 20 something versions of Frank and Estelle Costanza.
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It sems the main goal of that was for a shift in the MU towards Dark Reign. It seems Bendis set up a Skrull Invasion to make Osborn the new Nick Fury. I would have done it differently by making the story less of a B-movie alien invasion and more of a psychological horror, more like invasion of the body snatchers, like Bendis originally billed it. The story could have had some great scenes like repelling the Skrulls would be a relliance upon Hank Pym and Reed and then one of the FF finds Hank's dead body. Imagine a great scary moment whereby the superhero salvation is revealed as a villain!
Yes I would have killed off those who the Skrulls replced, except Sue Storm as that wouldn't work, she wouldn't have been replaced. The FF are too integral and editoral wouldn't allow it.
With all the intrigue and mystery (there should be a scene like issue #1 clifhanger whereby a load of retro heroes emerge) both the government and the superhero community are looking for someone to trust. Stark is somehow taken off the board, but not killed and Osborn dons the armour. After all nobody trusts him anyway and the Thunderbolts, he'd be a great asset against the Skrulls.
With Osborn's takedown of the Skrulls, his impression upon the government puts him in his Nick Fury slot.
This would seem much more justified to me than the one off sniper shot at the end of Secret Invasion. It seemed to me that the whole event was a lot of setup just to get there, so I'd at least have some psychological thriller and major character deaths along the way.
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