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Odin is far far far far stronger than thor. During blood and thunder, he was able to break out of thanos forceblock almost instantly. This is the same forceblock which held Insane thor with the PG (whose strength was continuously growing) for three hours. Really i cant remember ever seeing Odin failing to do something at so called "base" strength and then needing to amp (with a clear indication of amping) in order to accomplish it.
Odin and Thor win match 1 and Odin soloes match 2
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C'mon, is that all you got for Odin a force block and Ulik? And the force block was only holding Thor temporarily, its strength was ambiguous.
Also I believe Thor is supposed to be physically superior to his father, this is without any magic. I believe Odin bred Thor specifically to be stronger than him, or at least as strong as Odin was in his prime.
DS actually has a record man handling strongmen at their base level. Odin is always with some kind of magic.
As for scenario 2, DS has a great track record against magical beings. The Lords of Chaos themselves (primordial magical juggernauts) fear him.
So something to think about, in DC he is a peer or superior to Odin like beings, the Mordu's and Shazam's.
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no powers as in 'all competitors are rendered human and use only skill?' if that's the case, team 2 had far more impressive battle skill feats. team 1 wins the second battle. depending on how you view seid, they could easily win in a stomp.
That's the key, the way people view Seid varies in the extreme. People like Quan think he's top tier, while at the same time he has power feats that put him above his fellow skyfathers.
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No, he doesn't. He is more powerful than Superman but is still a peer to both he and Orion. Who has he defeated under his own power that is a skyfather?
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What else would i need? Odin rarely ever uses strength but the times he has he has have beena clear indication of his power level. The strength of the forceblock was very far from ambiguous. It was capable of holding Blood and thunder Thor with the PG (who strength increased every passing moment) for three hours. Blood and thunder thor with the PG was physically far stronger than regular thor (he had the amp from the madness and then the amp from the PG as well). Not only did the block hold him at the point of strength he was at but it was capable of holding him for 3 hours before his strength sufficiently increased to surpass it......Odin then broke out of the same attack in a few seconds. There is a clear strength difference shown there........I cant remeber really seeing it being stated that Odin bred thor to be physically stronger than him and frankly looking at how he and thor have fared strengthwise in similar situations, im led to believe otherwise.
As i said before Team 1 wins both scenarios with Odin soloing the second scenario.
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Uhm yes, all you have done is gone over there titles. You can never back up your reasoning and always just state some hyperbole and act as if that's enough.
High Father was easily bested by Ares who recently was murdered by WW as I recall. Mordru was recently beaten and wasn't able to hurt Prime.
GDS Ds which isn't canon to regular Ds performed these feats. It's alternate reality stuff.
Ds lost and didn't do anything under his own power to even approach Odin levels who has affected the multiverse under his own power before.
Great. At least you admit that you are only accepting certain writers an dignoring completey other writer's takes on him. That means you are biased and even under their pen he doesn't win.
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You'd be really, really wrong then. In addition to the Force Block and Ulik incident, which you want to disregard for whatever reason, he's also physically overpowered Seth (transformed into a gigantic serpent), a skyfather, while he was completely without the Odinpower. He's also taken down the Destroyer, physically. And has no issue bitchslapping around Frost Giants, who are vastly physically stronger than the Asgardian gods.
Odin is physically stronger and more durable than anyone on this team, by far.
Counting FC, Darkseid's harder to kill. That's about it.
But you're only looking at a few ambiguous feats, a force block doesn't have any set known power. You can't legitimately compare PG Thor's strength with Odin based on something so ambiguous, there'd be a lot of holes in that argument.
Weren't DS physical blows rocking the solar system in one fight with Supes according to the heroes on Earth?
What about the times he's physically man handled Superman? A being who has many a show of direct physical strength.
You see you're making a lot of assumptions based on indirect comparisons like a force block and fighting a giant serpent (a feat whose merits as a show of strength I can only believe on trust).
DS has more showings of base physical power and straight brawling without the use of esoteric powers, which is why I believe he beats Odin in scenario one. You can disagree, but that's my stance.
And there's no reason for hyperbole like skyfather serpent, as DS is a skyfather at least himself.
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Actually, GDS DS is canon post Zero Hour, post Foundations. I thought we've been through this before?
And please focus, I already provided an answer to your question (and it was accurate). If you want to argue something else like WW vs current Ares or current Mordu vs SBP do it in another thread.
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I already addressed the force block feat above. You can't seriously make a legitimate argument angling for Odin strength > PG Thor based on that evidence.
For one, the power levels of these things aren't known, they are plot devices like GL shields. In one instance a GL shield has some crazy cosmic level feat in the next they can't hold up against the physical blows of other high herald peers.
It's a vain task extrapolating patterns/consistency from such feats.
You just don't make strength comparisons over ambiguously powerful energy shields.
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