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no way at all he is stronger than all 3 combined into kefka at all
Then he's not beating Ganon.

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"almost laid the world into ruin" which you kept repeating, ganondorf didn't even do that on his own he just revived/released monsters, he just sat in a castle and did nothing all day. Hell the Gods from FF6 wasn't even attempting to destroy the planet it was just happening in the conflict which they saw was wrong of them
Ganon didn't want to end the world either, just to rule it. Otherwise he would have pulled a Majora and brought down the moon.

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Kefka destroyed most of the planet,
I disagree, and Ganon didn't want to.
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re-arranged it, created new monsters and magic,
Ganon's done it.

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Just the death of Kefka ended all magic, he was magic itself.
Moot.

In terms of raw power, even the three goddesses could not seal Ganon away, even with the master sword pinning down his power, in WW.


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Kefka's original intentions was to rule the world just until the final battle where it was to end the existence of life.

He was sealed and weakened as long as that blade was in place and I believe that placing it in his head stopped him well.

So you're basically telling me that Din the goddess of power would beat all 3 of the esper gods at once?

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Yep. Imo, creating the earth and 'sculpting it with her flaming arms', is pretty impressive as far as strength and magic feats go.

And yeah, the sword pinned down his power, but Ganon still escaped. He couldn't touch it, and so could never unpin the one thing holding down the bulk of his power. He still killed the sages.


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no way at all he is stronger than all 3 combined into kefka at all

"almost laid the world into ruin" which you kept repeating, ganondorf didn't even do that on his own he just revived/released monsters, he just sat in a castle and did nothing all day. Hell the Gods from FF6 wasn't even attempting to destroy the planet it was just happening in the conflict which they saw was wrong of them

Kefka destroyed most of the planet, re-arranged it, created new monsters and magic, made himself a nice home & tortured people who defied him. Just the death of Kefka ended all magic, he was magic itself.


you dont understand the "power" of the tri force. no known limit

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Let's not start with no-limit fallacies, SL, but yeah. The triforce /is/ very powerful. It contains the power of the three goddesses, who's top end is unknown. But there /is/ a limit somewhere.


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when it comes down to it link kills kain. ganondorf kills kefka. with or without links help. kains spells are mostly projectiles and link can reflect them.

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Kain uses dimentional teleport, Link and Ganondorf die...its really that simple, theyve not the durability feats to survive such an assault. He could just blood shower them as well, killing both while strengthening Kain to the limit. Its just forutnate Kain is greatly weaknened as half of his abilities have been taken away for this tournement. Unlike in the last argument where Kain may not be able to damage Megaman, Kain can destroy both of these with ease so Kefka can relax or simply start casting his lazer.


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You make posts like that and wonder why people disagree with you...? Are you just habitually wrong? Kain's team has been coasting this far on Kefka alone. Kain's been a nonfactor every fight, this fight's no different. It's essentially Link and Ganon vs Kefka. Now what do you know about Kefka?


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Kain is the first to go. He dies at the hands of Link via the Master Sword which easily destroys Kain, tearing through him like a hot knife through butter (as it was meant to). It also makes him immune to TK.

Ganondorf pwns Kefka. :/


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lol you actually think Kefka beats Megaman and Samus on his own? or the others guys he was facing? Garen marek would kill kefka in an instant, the team has been working as a team unlike Ganon and Link where link is as useless as Kratos in the Garen marek team.

Kain just does not need Kefka this time, he needed him in the last fight because he cannot damage megaman afaik, although tbh it wasnt debated and no information was given.

Kain needs one dimentional teleport, he moves faster than either Link and Ganon and the canon versions of either have no feats to survive Kains soul devouring sword and his strength.

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Kain is the first to go. He dies at the hands of Link via the Master Sword which easily destroys Kain, tearing through him like a hot knife through butter (as it was meant to). It also makes him immune to TK.



Sorry to disapoint but not only is Link to slow to get close ot Kain at all but he is to slow to react to Kains teleportation speed or his spells, Kain would just TK and destroy him that way, the MS has never shown canon TK blocking, all youve stated is speculation.


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^ XD
Zelda noob.


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Actually, Kefka > Galen Marke, but nice try.

And no, I don't think Kefka beat Samus and Megaman on his own, his team should have stopped there, and this thread should be Samus and Megaman vs Link and Ganon, but ohwell...

The last part is laughable. Kain gets slaughtered.


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Actually, Kefka > Galen Marke, but nice try.

And no, I don't think Kefka beat Samus and Megaman on his own, his team should have stopped there, and this thread should be Samus and Megaman vs Link and Ganon, but ohwell...

The last part is laughable. Kain gets slaughtered.


Agreed. laughing


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Actually, Kefka > Galen Marke, but nice try.

And no, I don't think Kefka beat Samsu and Megaman on his own, his team should have stopped there, and this thread should be Samus and Megaman vs Link and Ganon, but ohwell...

The last part is laughable. Kain gets slaughtered.


Yeh if you give him ages to cast his better spells/powers, ofc if the fight starts straight away Kefka is crushed into a bloody mess.

Nah, go and find some sort of argument together to hold up your little pals Link and Ganon or w8 for some debaters to come. Until then stop spamming this thread.


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Sounds like the jons of defeat to me, BT.


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Actually, SpadeKing and I were debating this properly just fine until you came along and made outrageous claims. :P

You've made no argument, you just came in and claimed Kain won with a useless attack.


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Actually, SpadeKing and I were debating this properly just fine until you came along and made outrageous claims. :P

You've made no argument, you just came in and claimed Kain won with a useless attack.


Very much in the same manner that you always preach against, BT.


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Theres one page before this one with only a few posts on it, its hardly been debated at all, he just had difficulty understanding your vague comment and then your debating the power of kekfa, thats nothing much of an argument certainly not from your side.

Your the one calling it useless baselessly, you need an argument to back that up. Its too fast for the opposing team and too powerful, theres no need for a more developed argument when one move can do it. I threw in another move just to sweeten the deal.


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Why it's useless:

1. The average person can react to a 300 millisecond attack.
2. Link and Ganon are super humans, Link casually cuts arrows out of the air.
3. Kain's not strong enough to harm either one.
4. Magic armour.
5. Kain dies as soon as the fight starts.

If you add 1. and 2. together, if Kain attempts it, he dies instantly via master swording.


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How about this move?

Ganondorf holds Kain in place with TK (which only a fraction of that power can overthrow the powers of light and darkness [Zant in TP on Midna and Lanayru] <==proof of powerful TK) while Link comes from behind and shoves the Master Sword up his anal cavity.


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