It's not my position to join the entire argument, but what I will for some?
Exactly, he confronted them. Something most would not. Heck, even Gandalf was pretty uncertain if he could defeat the Witch-King, yet, Glorfindel took on all 9. Besides, he is one of the elves who saw the lights from some Valar tree (forgot if it's true or not).
What? We know a lot more about Glorfindel then people know about Raven(from SW). We know how he killed the Balrog, and how he died. Like I said before, he had the Balrog killed. That's why the Balrog fell from the Mountain/cliff and in desperation, the Balrog grabbed Glorfindels with him.
We know he wounded the Balrog in both arms and the belly. He was even hurt.
Here is a nice img of the fight between B and G (please log in to view the image)
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Ok, you contradicted yourself AGAIN with that pic, as the balrog has his foot (and therefore WEIGHT) on the bridge. And show me where it details EXACTLY what Glorfindel did in the fight against the balrog, wheter he threw the weapons or not can be dfebated if you cant. Wait, you cant, and it cant because you have no proof. Glorfindel
A.)Had ELVISH land, and therefore was like the WK at Minas Tirith, he had added force, only it wasnt demonic, it was more angelic.
B.) He knew the Nine couldnt cross Bruinen(i think they name of that river after Frodo was stabbed) and he knew his horse could get there faster.
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You also said that he smote the brige, meaning he hit it. But if that were true, then your picture can also not be used other than th ebalrog having its weight on it as the balrog charged Gandalf as Gandalf is not doing ANY smiting in there? Any see any smiting? I see a ray of light, thats it.
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Turgon aran Gondolin tortha gar a matha, i vegil Glamdring gud dae lo, dam an Glamhoth.
I never said anything about the Nazgul.
"The least could have been primitive Orcs." Notice Orcs is plural it means multiple. Also the Dragon thing has been debated for a lonf while, but it is impossible to tell.
"At that moment Gandalf lifted his staff, and crying aloud he smote the bridge before him. The staff broke asunder and fell from his hand. A blinding sheet of white flame sprang up." Notice the white fire, the breaking staff and the shout.... It was clearly magic aimed at the Balrog's feet.
He has some impressive feats. All from HoME 2.
"and Glorfindel cut his way out very hardly and with few
men."
"Then some of the hugest of the drakes came on and glared in the
fog, and he must perforce bid the company to go at a run, fighting
on the left at haphazard; but Glorfindel held the rear manfully and
many more of the Golden Flower fell there."
"Now Galdor and Glorfindel held their own despite the surprise of
assault, and many of the Orcs were struck into the abyss"
"
Then Glorfindel leapt forward
upon him and his golden armour gleamed strangely in the moon,
and he hewed at that demon that it leapt again upon a great
boulder and Glorfindel after. Now there was a deadly combat
upon that high rock above the folk; and these, pressed behind and
hindered ahead, were grown so close that well nigh all could see,
yet was it over ere Glorfindel's men could leap to his side. The
ardour of Glorfindel drave that Balrog from point to point, and his
mail fended him from its whip and claw. Now had he beaten a
heavy swinge upon its iron helm, now hewn off the creature's
whip-arm at the elbow. Then sprang the Balrog in the torment of
his pain and fear full at Glorfindel, who stabbed like a dart of a
snake; but he found only a shoulder, and was grappled, and they
swayed to a fall upon the crag-top. Then Glorfindel's left hand
sought a dirk, and this he thrust up that it pierced the Balrog's
belly nigh his own face (for that demon was double his stature);
and it shrieked, and fell backwards from the rock, and falling
clutched Glorfindel's yellow locks beneath his cap, and those
twain fell into the abyss."
"Still do the Eldar say when they see good fighting at great odds
of power against a fury of evil: "Alas! 'Tis Glorfindel and the
Balrog", and their hearts are still sore for that fair one of
the Noldoli."
"What it was I cannot guess, but I have never felt such a challenge. The counter-spell was terrible."
I told you I am not going the argument about Balrog vs Glorfindel. I barely remember what i read from 3 years ago.
As for Glorfindel, does it matter how Glorfindel defeated the Balrog. We know it was just them, and at full power. Why else would a Balrog purposely ambush them.
Where the heck does it say that the Elvish land has aura that strengthens one to give them strength to fight off the 9 all of a sudden? Huh?
Dosnt say it, other than the fact that he ran to Elvish land and stopped once he hit it, he fel confident htta they wouldnt be able to beat him there, elsewise who says he couldnt have stayed at Amon Sul or wherever he found them(i forgot) to fight them, telling Aragorn to take them on?
Oh and plz give me source for where it says Glorfindel is the same one who died in the pass.
Oh, and it matters alot that we know the exact circumstances of the fight or we cant say he didnt throw the weapons.
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Turgon aran Gondolin tortha gar a matha, i vegil Glamdring gud dae lo, dam an Glamhoth.
Then shall I take your lack of posts as a concession or have you not been on?
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Turgon aran Gondolin tortha gar a matha, i vegil Glamdring gud dae lo, dam an Glamhoth.
Lets see
A.)He cast a spell that beat off 5 of the Nine, including the WK, (the flood thingy) And here are some quotes from the Fellowship of the Ring:
"What Frodo saw was a warrior in the full of his prime, surrounded by other great warriors"
And, if I am right, he seems to think Glorfindel could fight off all Nine at once so here:
"Not even Glorfindel and Aragorn together could fight all Nine at once"
And also, if he could, then why didnt he stay behind to fight them insetead of sending Frodo ahead and hiding?
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Turgon aran Gondolin tortha gar a matha, i vegil Glamdring gud dae lo, dam an Glamhoth.
Not quite decided to read some stuff i forgot but here goes: i doubt that Glorfindel still has his re
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Turgon aran Gondolin tortha gar a matha, i vegil Glamdring gud dae lo, dam an Glamhoth.
Not quite decided to read some stuff i forgot but here goes: i doubt that Glorfindel still has his reminiscent power from Gonbdolin, being that he is like a wight, but he is still alive and all. _i know makes no sense just couldnt get better words)
Gandalf said somewhere (AH curse my memory) that Elrond cast a spell on the valley so that no servants of Sauron could enter(and Gandalf added a few things to it, like the shape of horsemen)
Still waiting for the proof asked for earlier about it being same Glorfindel because mine was an assumptionElrond managed to be in Mordor for 7 years with the armies of the Last Alliance and not get killed, even tho Anarion himself had been killed, and Gil-Galad and Elendil,
Elrond would doubtlessly have either worked on his skills to near perfection over the first second and third ages
Glorfindel may have been one of the few of the elves in Rivendell that could ride openly against the Nine, but Elrond could have 2
oh and btw when i started i thougfht Glorfindel would win i just like trying to make a better case for the loser =p im nice like that7 years
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Turgon aran Gondolin tortha gar a matha, i vegil Glamdring gud dae lo, dam an Glamhoth.
well it is said that when glorfindel sacrified himself fighting with the balrog, he was reincarnated and the valar granted him great power, and then says that he was almost like a maiar.
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