Bandon didn't with that Ensign. He's that hardcore.
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He gots you noobs cryin' out fo' mom
Leave the scene lookin' like Vietnam
Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
Like his name suggests, he's quite atomic
And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: On cloud 9 in 7th heaven! I didn't
Make no mistakes, Dooku has no compassion for life. By aiding Palpatine in his plan, he let millions die in a war that he created. That wasn't out of necessity, it was out of greed for power, which is the central theme for Sith. And he didn't have to kill OB1 in AOTC. He was already down and not getting up, yet he went for a death blow.
Yeah by the time of AotC, it's made rather clear that Dooku's goals, however noble or enterprising, would be achieved by brutality, cruelty, unconcern for life, and deliberate deception. Incidentally, such Sithly attitudes went right along with Dooku being a Sith. Whoduv thunk it?
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__________________ Every time this fool be come along
He gots you noobs cryin' out fo' mom
Leave the scene lookin' like Vietnam
Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
Like his name suggests, he's quite atomic
And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: On cloud 9 in 7th heaven! I didn't
Anyone that can willfully watch and order that his former "brothers" be killed, has absolutely NO regard for life on any level, other than that of his own. Not masters, not pupils, no one.
I don't know. Dark Rendezvous would disagree with you. Sure, he committed or ordered, or even didn't stop other people doing, very bad stuff, but DR makes it clear, that he actually regrets that he joined the Dark side and all the deaths he caused.
I think, that the case with Dooku is, that he joined Sidious because he actually thought, that he could help the universe and of course for personal power as well. I actually think, that deep down, he was a good person.
I think that reasons, why he remained at Sidious side and committed or didn't stop atrocities were:
1. His quest for power, he wanted to be the best and i think a part of him liked, how much the Dark side made him more powerful.
2. He, was rationalizing, he probably thought something like this
- OK, i will kill this person or these people, but it will be for a general good of the Galaxy,
He was, basically making excuses to himself, to do, or prevent bad stuff.
3. Pride and arrogance. He was a very prideful man. Like i said, i think he regretted joining the Dark Side and deep down wanted to come back to the light, but if he would do that, he would have to admit, to his former colleagues, that he was wrong and that's something, Dooku, doesn't do.
And the most important reason, just like Anakin/Vader he thought he had done to much wrong, to come back to the Light.
- "Yoda a darkness carries with him," the Master said, "and Dooku bears a light. After all these years! Across all these oceans of space! All these bodies you have tried to heap between us: and yet call to me still, this little Dooku does! Flies toward the true Force, like iron pulled to a magnet." Yoda cackled. "Even the blind seed grows to the light: should mighty Dooku be unable to achieve what even the rose can do?"
The Count said, "I have gone too far down the dark path ever to return."
"Pfeh." Yoda snapped his fingers. "The empty universe, where is it now? Alone are you, Count, and no one your master. Each instant the universe annihilates itself, and starts again." He poked Dooku in the chest with his stick, hard. "Choose, and start again
A passage from DR.
-But worse than anything is the memories," he said, more softly still. "They crowd around, like flies on meat. Every despicable thing, every petty vice, every little act of spite."
A cruel, strange quiet stretched out as Ventress panted on the stone floor. Rain ticked against the window glass, and the Count's soft voice went dark and far away.
"All the things you should have stopped, but didn't, and nothing will ever be right again. And the things you've done," he whispered. "By the pitiless stars, the things you've done..."
Passage from DR.
I think that deep inside, he always knew, what he was doing is wrong and that he actually regretted, joining the Dark sideand what he has turned into.
Not to mention that Yoda almost redeemed him in DR, if he was so committed to the Dark side as you said, that wouldn't have almost happened.
When i was reading reviews for this book on some site, some user described him the best:
- Hes obviously a powerful man, who very well knows is on the wrong path, but who cant bring himself, to turn away from it.
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Registered: Oct 2004
Location: On cloud 9 in 7th heaven! I didn't
Well I call bullshit. Yoda, for one, is a fallible character. He's speaking on his former apprentice and still has a soft spot for him. That doesn't make Dooku any less evil.
Do you recall when OB1 was trying to say the same things about Anakin? And what'd Yoda do? He dismissed it and said that the Sith must be destroyed, BECAUSE he didn't have that connection with Anakin that OB1 did, or like the one he had with Dooku.
Also, if you remember, George Lucas said on many occasions that "no one that's evil thinks they're evil."
Even Sidious, when talking to Anakin, was talking about the Jedi being the evil ones and once again bringing peace to the galaxy. Sidious thought he was a good man too. Does that mean he was? Of course not.
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Registered: Oct 2004
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Per George Lucas, "No one that's evil, thinks they're evil." Sidious was thinking what he was doing was right, as did Anakin.
Take Hitler for example. Did he think he was "evil?" No. He thought Jews, gays and gypsies were evil and wanted to cleanse the world of them. That is exactly how Sidious feels about Jedi.
GL is an idiot for saying that. Theres a difference between Sidious and Hitler. Sidious wanted to be the supreme ruler of the galaxy and force everyone to do what he says, how in any way is that doing the right thing? Even Anakin can't be thinking he's not evil, slaughtering innocent helpless younglings to do what, save his princess?
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I'd prefer it if Sidious knew he was morally bankrupt. That would solidify him as the epitome of evil and corruption, not just through deed, but through mentality as well.
Frankly I feel that if someone can spend most of their political life pretending to be moral and just, but really be evil and twisted, then they have a sense of morality and thus a choice (or at least an awareness) of one's own.
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POWAH, UNLIIIMETEEEED POWAH!!!!!!!!!!
Anyways, DR is one of my favorite books, but Yoda isnt as fallible as you make him out to be, as it was a third party/omniscient narration, Dooku truly was about to return to the light when Mace screwed it up and sent Kenobi and Skywalker, who kicked in the door, and made the Count refuse it all.
Oh well, Dark Side is cooler anyways, they have capes and cookies.
Sep 22nd, 2009 05:02 PM
