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Prolonged fight or not, Maul dominated the fight with Qui-Gon, directing the action and determining the course of the fight actively (as elaborated on in the novel.) And all I can say is that the movie showing of Obi-Wan's brief spat with him was an aberration. I mean, Qui-Gon is a master swordsman in his own right and presumably better than a padawan who copied his style, right? I don't understand the choreography behind that, especially when Maul did better 2 against 1 than 1 on 1, but whatever.
He still tooled Darth Vader canonically.
If Kas'im opts for using Jar'Kai immediately, the fight might end pretty quick. But otherwise, I don't see it being easy for him to win - although I do agree that, in the end, Kas'im takes it.
Maul never fought Vader. If you try to claim Maul clone==maul, I will punch you in the nose. The only person to ever try to claim that was HWKA. You don't want to be in that company do you?
Kas'im pretty much annihilates him. He'll either finish the fight in an absurdly short time or he'll dominate for the entire duration of a prolonged engagement. He's everything that Maul is but vastly, vastly superior.
Not that any of this pertains to the match at hand, but Maul didn't dominate the whole battle with Qui-Gon...
"[Qui-Gon] had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. With quick, hard strokes of his lightsaber, he bored into his adversary, deliberately engaging in close-quarters combat, refusing to let the other bring his double-bladed weapon to bear. He drove Darth Maul backward about the rim of the overhang, keeping the Sith Lord constantly on the defensive, pressing in on him steadily. Qui-Gon Jinn might no longer be young, but he was still powerful. Darth Maul's ragged face took on a frenzied look, and the glitter of his strange eyes brightened with uncertainty." - TPM
As for Obi-Wan, he also did quite well against Maul initially...
"The Sith Lord was borne backward by [Obi-Wan's] initial rush, caught off guard by the other's wild assault, and pressed all the way back to the far wall of the melting pit. There he struggled to keep the young Jedi at bay, trying to open enough space between them to defend himself. Lightsabers scraped and grated against each other, and the chamber echoed with their fury. Lunging and twisting, Darth Maul regained the offensive and counterattacked, using both ends of his lightsaber in an effort to cut Obi-Wan's legs out from under him. But Obi-Wan, while not so experienced as Qui-Gon, was quicker. Anticipating each blow, he was able to elude his antagonist's efforts to bring him down." - TPM
Anyhow, my only point is that Qui-Gon and Padawan Obi-Wan were able to (at least for a while) hold their own against Maul one on one. That said, Maul certainly wouldn't be able to compete with Sidious in an actual battle, on any level. Imo.
That was Darth Mauul.
The only thing I disagree with here is your opinion that it wouldn't be easy for Kas'im to win -- I personally think it would.
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Unless something else has recently come out elaborating on it, I'm not aware of anyone saying explicitly that it was a clone. It could have been a clone. Or the Dark Siders could have resurrected Maul. Whichever. Even if I allow for it being a clone with no evidence to support that, that clone would have had nowhere near the training that the real Maul did and per DE would have been an inferior body when compared to the real thing.
Ya know.... I just don't see the quote of Obi saying we can't take Sid together as all together as a totally factual statement. He has no clue what they could and couldn't do, and latter evidence proved he was wrong. That quote seemed to me, that he was more scared of the proposition of confronting a sith lord, with his track record against lesser sith's had been great. That was just his opinion not a fact. Yoda later proved this to not be true, but taking on, and getting the better of the sith lord. He made sid...flee time and after time to try and get away from Yoda. If he could've killed yoda he would've or stuck around. Yet we saw him do the opposite. I really don't see that statement from Obi as anything more than him being scared and for dramatical purposes.
Siolo Ur Manka I believe was his name. This happened around the same time (circa 32 BBY) he confronted and killed Qui-Gon Jinn. Not sure as to the level of canon though. However, it still gives us a glimpse of what might happen if Maul were to face a warrior on the level of Kas'im.
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Last edited by Jinsoku Takai on Jun 24th, 2010 at 05:29 PM
Actually, upon further thought, I'm not sure if Kas'im "stomps" this like some people have said. Bane with just 1 year of training was able to drive Kas'im back, and Kas'im only got an advantage due to using a form unfamiliar to Bane. However, in this case Maul is familiar with all forms that Kas'im is known to have used.
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On the inside of Tales #10, where it lists the stories located within, it's got an "Infinities" stamp. And Infinities is non-canon. Tales 1-20 is non-canon.
Additionally though, Maul only had his single-bladed lightsaber when Siolo looked better than him, and it only happened once. Second time, with his saberstaff, he killed the Jedi Master.
Beg your pardon, but I doubt that. The only reason Kas'im's Jar'Kai was so devastating against Bane was because Bane had ZERO familiarity with it. Heck, that was why Kas'im didn't teach it to anyone; to make sure he'd always have an ace up his sleeve.
Maul is familiar with Jar'Kai and is in fact an expert at it himself. Even if Kas'im uses it right off the bat it won't help much.
Serious answer, no. He got tooled ONCE and won the re-match.
Plus that 'dude' (Siolo'urmanka) was described as one of the greatest living Jedi warriors.
Last edited by chilled monkey on Jun 24th, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Kas'im stomps. And because I agree with popular and obvious opinion, I win.
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He got tooled the first time and was in the process of getting tooled the second time before he ignited the second blade of his newly built dual-bladed lightsaber. Either way, he was getting his ass handed to him. And I brought this up because it might help to illuminate what might happen if Maul were to face another combatant of kas'im's caliber.
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Last edited by Jinsoku Takai on Jun 25th, 2010 at 12:18 AM
For all we know that Jedi could simply be very good. Better than Kas'im even. And if we go with the Kun fanboy logic he is uber since he fights with a wooden staff.
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